<div dir="ltr"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Hi Sky,</font><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">I think by radical he means that the /y/ is part of the word's root rather than just a result of /i/ + /u/ coming together. His reasoning is that the Hoc<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:collapse">ą</span>k cognate has /zh/ between /i/ and /u/, and /zh/ is not naturally euphonious in that location. Thus, he also expects whatever is in the equivalent place of the Chiwere word, the /y/ between the /i/ and /u/, to be part of the word itself rather than surface euphony. Whether or not Dorsey is correct, I don't know, but I believe that's what he's saying and the reasoning for it. Btw, Helmbrecht and Lehmann in their dictionary have <i>wiižúk</i> for 'gun' in Hoc<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:collapse">ą</span>k.</font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">-Saul</font></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Campbell, Sky <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sky@omtribe.org" target="_blank">sky@omtribe.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal">I’m trying to figure out the breakdown of the Otoe-Missouria term for “gun” (iyujį). My first instinct was to go with this:<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">i- (instrumental prefix and/or “with”) + ujį (hit/strike)<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">And in there, the “y” would occur for the sake of euphony thus making “iyujį” (strike/hit with).<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Then I saw Dorsey’s entry with his term “i-yu-́ciⁿ” where he says:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><i>“Were it not for the W. eq., we would be inclined to derive this word from uciⁿ, to hit, with the instrumental prefix, i-, changed making the compound i-uciⁿ, changed for euphony to iyu-ci; but the W. izhu- shows that the “y” in iyu- is radical.”<u></u><u></u></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Dorsey covered what my exact thoughts were but said no because of the Hocąnk cognate and that it is “radical.” I haven’t been able to find the Hocąk term anywhere and have no idea what he meant by “radical.” Anyone have any ideas? I haven’t had any luck with any related cognates that I could find.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Here are some spellings of this term I’ve come across that may help.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b>jútschä</b> (Maximilian)<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">His forms don’t have the initial “i-“ but just jump right into the “y” sound. He also ends with “ä” (eh/ay sound) but clearly goes with “į” with his term “strike” (uh-tschin).<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">
<u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b>E-yock-a</b> (Major Albert Green)<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Linguistic precision definitely isn’t Green’s strong point but his “ck” has me curious.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">
<u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b>i-yo-ćeˊ</b> (Ferdinand Vandeveer Hayden (1862)<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b>uyóci</b> (Wistrand-Robinson, 1972)<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Any help would be greatly appreciated.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:14.0pt">Sky Campbell, B. A.<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Language Director<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Otoe-Missouria Tribe<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="tel:580-723-4466%20ext.%20111" value="+15807234466" target="_blank">580-723-4466 ext. 111</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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