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<div style="direction: ltr;font-family: Arial;color: #000000;font-size: 14pt;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D"><font face="Arial" size="4">Sky,<br>
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<font size="4">Yes,<font size="4"> the initial k- seems to be part of the original term, probably from *ki-. Down below your comments I have copied the Comparative Dictionary entry for 'nine'<font size="4">. As you'll see, several of the languages show traces
of the ki- or <font size="4">k-. My <font size="4">Chiwere recordings showed a glottal stop as residue of the
<font size="4">k-. It's interesting that you found citations of the word with the f<font size="4">ull k-.<br>
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<font size="4"><font size="4">Thanks.<br>
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> Ek jdfk (ikshanke) – <i>Wdtwhtl Wdwdklha Tva Eva Wdhonetl</i> (1834) by Merrill</span>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">> Merrill’s form follows the ordinal number pattern (IE “ninth” rather than “nine”) but the “k” is still present which is what has me curious. To date, all
other sources I’ve come across only have “sanke/shanke” (or something along those lines) with no “k”. It has been mentioned here that “sanke” was borrowed from Algonquian. Does the inclusion of “k” also fit with other Algonquian “nines”?
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">GLOSS[ nine</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">PMV[ *kšą́hka ¦ (?)</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">CH[ ʔšą́khe ‘nine’ rlr</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">OP[ šą́kka ¦ nine ¦ rlr</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">OP[ šǫ́kka ¦ nine ¦ rtc</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">KS[ šą́kka ¦ nine ¦ rlr</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">OS[ šą́hka ¦ nine, archaic, card game ¦ rlr</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">PSE[ *kišą́•hka ¦ (?)</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">BI[ †čkané “tckanĕ´” ‘nine’ DS:265 (?)</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">OF[ †kíštəška “kî´shtAshga” ‘nine’ {JRS09:485}</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">OF[ “kĭ´cta</span><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:
normal"><span style="color: black;">̣</span></b><span style="color: black;">cga” ‘nine’ DS:325b</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">TU[ †kisą́•hkai “tça (N), sā, sāñ, ksañk, ksāhkai, kasankai, ksākai”<font size="4">
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">TU[ ¦ ksäⁿhk‘ ¦ ‘nine’ Hw.</span></font></p>
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</span>¦ sęk‘ ¦ ‘nine’ Sapir</span></font></p>
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</span>¦ kseⁿk ¦ ‘nine’ Fracht.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">TU[ ¦ kiséⁿg, kisén ¦ two ¦ Fracht.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">COM[ The recorded CH forms imply different underlying sibilants. PSI *š
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">and {θ} never vary or alternate regularly. But note also the irregular TU
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">{s} where {č} is expected. BI {tckanĕ´} {DS:265a} is probably
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">borrowed from Choctaw-Chickasaw {čakkâ•li} {nine}; {n} is the usual
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">BI replacement for Western Muskogean {l} This W. Muskogean term lacks
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">Creek, Hitchiti cognates however, and may be from the same ultimate source
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">as Siouan {*kišą́•hka} OF seems to show the intrusive {t} that appears
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">following sibilants in {black}, {q.v.} OF {a</span><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal"><span style="color: black;">̣</span></b><span style="color: black;">} often represents
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">denasalized {*ą}. {Cf.} also Powhatan {*ke•ka•ta•s} {nine}
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">{FS 1975:309} as well as other, well known Algonquian look-alikes such as
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">{šak} {nine} {FS 1975:311, Rhodes, personal communication}. The
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">distribution of this set (only the more southerly languages represented), the
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">languages lead us to conclude that this is a loanword. Direction(s) of
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