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<div style="direction: ltr;font-family: Arial;color: #000000;font-size: 14pt;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D"><font face="Arial" size="4">Sky,<br>
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<font size="4">Yes,<font size="4"> the initial k- seems to be part of the original term, probably from *ki-. Down below your comments I have copied the Comparative Dictionary entry for 'nine'<font size="4">. As you'll see, several of the languages show traces
of the ki- or <font size="4">k-. My <font size="4">Chiwere recordings showed a glottal stop as residue of the
<font size="4">k-. It's interesting that you found citations of the word with the f<font size="4">ull k-.<br>
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<font size="4"><font size="4">Thanks.<br>
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> Ek jdfk (ikshanke) – <i>Wdtwhtl Wdwdklha Tva Eva Wdhonetl</i> (1834) by Merrill</span>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">> Merrill’s form follows the ordinal number pattern (IE “ninth†rather than “nineâ€) but the “k†is still present which is what has me curious. To date, all
other sources I’ve come across only have “sanke/shanke†(or something along those lines) with no “kâ€. It has been mentioned here that “sanke†was borrowed from Algonquian. Does the inclusion of “k†also fit with other Algonquian “ninesâ€?
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">GLOSS[ nine</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">OTHREC[ {*kÅ¡Ä…Ìkha} {GHM58}</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">PMV[ *kÅ¡Ä…Ìhka ¦ (?)</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">CH[ ʔšąÌkhe ‘nine’ rlr</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">OP[ Å¡Ä…Ìkka ¦ nine ¦ rlr</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">OP[ Å¡Ç«Ìkka ¦ nine ¦ rtc</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">KS[ Å¡Ä…Ìkka ¦ nine ¦ rlr</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">OS[ Å¡Ä…Ìhka ¦ nine, archaic, card game ¦ rlr</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">QU[ šąkka ¦ nine ¦ rlr</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">PSE[ *kiÅ¡Ä…Ì•hka ¦ (?)</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">BI[ †Äkané “tckanĕ´†‘nine’ DS:265 (?)</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">OF[ †kÃÅ¡təška “kî´shtAshga†‘nine’ {JRS09:485}</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">OF[ “kÄ´cta</span><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:
normal"><span style="color: black;">̣</span></b><span style="color: black;">cga†‘nine’ DS:325b</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">TU[ †kisÄ…Ì•hkai “tça (N), saÌ„, sāñ, ksañk, ksaÌ„hkai, kasankai, ksaÌ„kaiâ€<font size="4">
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">TU[ ¦ ksäâ¿hk‘ ¦ ‘nine’ Hw.</span></font></p>
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</span>¦ sęk‘ ¦ ‘nine’ Sapir</span></font></p>
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</span>¦ kseâ¿k ¦ ‘nine’ Fracht.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">TU[ ¦ kiséâ¿g, kisén ¦ two ¦ Fracht.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">COM[ The recorded CH forms imply different underlying sibilants. PSI *Å¡
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">and {θ} never vary or alternate regularly. But note also the irregular TU
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">{s} where {Ä} is expected. BI {tckanĕ´} {DS:265a} is probably
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">borrowed from Choctaw-Chickasaw {Äakkâ•li} {nine}; {n} is the usual
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">BI replacement for Western Muskogean {l} This W. Muskogean term lacks
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">Creek, Hitchiti cognates however, and may be from the same ultimate source
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">as Siouan {*kišą̕hka} OF seems to show the intrusive {t} that appears
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">following sibilants in {black}, {q.v.} OF {a</span><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal"><span style="color: black;">Ì£</span></b><span style="color: black;">} often represents
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">denasalized {*ą}. {Cf.} also Powhatan {*ke•ka•ta•s} {nine}
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">{FS 1975:309} as well as other, well known Algonquian look-alikes such as
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">{Å¡ak} {nine} {FS 1975:311, Rhodes, personal communication}. The
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">distribution of this set (only the more southerly languages represented), the
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><font face="Arial" size="4"><span style="color: black;">languages lead us to conclude that this is a loanword. Direction(s) of
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