<div dir="ltr">When you showed me that program last year, Sky, I remember thinking, "Now, THIS is awesome!" As a guy who, for years, was asked questions like, "What's my Granddad's name mean?" on a weekly basis, only to be handed a string of indecipherable 'ah's, 'eh's, and hyphens with a few consonants mixed in for good measure, I would have relished the opportunity to see a list the possible permutations presented at once. Now, if you could just build in some phonotactic constraint logic and SQL interaction with some sort of lexical database to provide suggestions--you know, the easy stuff--you'd have the proverbial better mousetrap! :) Ah, it's fun to dream!<div>
<br></div><div>By the way, the name Kke Leze was the name of one of the last living male L1 Ks speakers. -jtm</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 7:34 PM, Sky Campbell <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sky@legendreaders.com" target="_blank">sky@legendreaders.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Justin,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I thought of that too (and even thought of turtle LOL...ke for ketą) but nothing came to mind for the rest. We have a precedent for this which is a name listed as "Ke Greðe" (Prairie Turtle/Spotted Turtle). I seem to remember one or two more but can't think of them off the top of my head.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">And thanks for pointing out the "g" possibly being the "j" sound. That is usually one of the first things I consider but it totally slipped my mind. Man, I really, REALLY need to finish my "character/morpheme swap" program for situations like this.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Sky<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Siouan Linguistics [mailto:<a href="mailto:SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu" target="_blank">SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mcbride, Justin<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 18, 2014 5:46 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu" target="_blank">SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: Carominga<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><div class="h5">
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Howdy, Jimm,<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I wonder about the division of syllables into Caro and Monga. Is it possible that it could be Ca Romonga? I ask becasue, if it were a Kaw name, I'd think it might have something to do with kke, 'turtle,' which I'm pretty sure I've seen spelled as Ca in names before. I would also look at the r as representing either Ks y or l, and -ga part at the end (if it's not been switched, as Sky suggests, which I think is probable) as possibly representing like the Ks syllable j^e, which seems to happen fairly frequently in the names I've looked at. In short, I would expect something like kke yaNmaNj^e, which doesn't ring any bells at all in Ks. Now, I don't know much at all about IOM, lexically or phonologically--maybe this makes even less sense in IOM--but thought I just might throw that out there as food for thought. <u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">All the best,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">-Justin<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">
<u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Sky Campbell <<a href="mailto:sky@legendreaders.com" target="_blank">sky@legendreaders.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">The "caro" portion has me thinking of a few possibilities:</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">kera (as you pointed out)</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">giro (happy)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">The "monga" has me thinking of:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">mange (lying down)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">mange (chest)</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">womanke (easy) <-- perhaps unlikely</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">mąnka (medicine) <-- seems the most unlikely but I thought I'd throw it in there</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Last is a "theory" that I have that perhaps somehow, some way, "monga" might be a form of "manyi/manye". Considering how many examples of "ng" and "ny" being swapped out (sunge/sunye, -inge/-inye, etc.), I wonder if perhaps it might be a version of "manyi". Especially since that word is used in so many names already and your friend noted that it appears in other names as well. This is just speculation, of course. Speaking of which, if they could provide examples of other names that use "monga", it might help us figure it out.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Sky</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Siouan Linguistics [mailto:<a href="mailto:SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu" target="_blank">SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jimm G. GoodTracks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 18, 2014 9:25 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu" target="_blank">SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Fw: Carominga</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:blue">Does anyone have some thoughts to decipher the name: "Caromonga." The last part appears to be "mange" (be in sitting position). The first could be "kera" (cleared sky).</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke">
<b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:caxelolson@gmail.com" title="caxelolson@gmail.com" target="_blank">Greg Olson</a> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Friday, July 11, 2014 4:48 PM</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">To:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:jgoodtracks@gmail.com" title="mailto:jgoodtracks@gmail.com
CTRL + Click to follow link" target="_blank">Jimm GoodTracks</a> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Carominga</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal">Jimm, while proofing my manuscript, I came across an Ioway name I had overlooked. Caromonga. He is mentioned insome council meetings during the 1840s. I notice the end of the name- monga -appears in other names too. <u></u><u></u></p>
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