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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Greg was gracious enough to let me see the copies he was drawing from and sure enough, it looks like "monga" in the name. But what I found interesting in that document was other familiar names...Washkamonga and Neumonga which we've seen elsewhere with the "monga" portion spelled with an "ny" instead of an "ng". I also looked at the 1842 Ioway census and found "Caromonga" but instead it was spelled "Caramonya". I did a quick Google search for "Caramonya" and got a couple hits on some books that had excerpts from Hamilton's journal. He describes "Caramonya" as "an old Indian who often visits us." Unfortunately he doesn't translate the name. My first reaction was to think that perhaps Hamilton might be using his own orthography that he used in his books but the rest of the spelling doesn't bear that out. I'd love to see more of Hamilton's journal to see if there are any clues in there. Anyone know where I could get a hold of such a thing?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So it looks like that ending may actually be "manyi" (but perhaps not for the "ng/ny swap" that I suggested but maybe just a handwriting issue). And it looks like both versions were written by the same person (there is the same flourish on the capital "C" in both versions of the name).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Council meeting image:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><img width=455 height=141 id="Picture_x0020_0" src="cid:image005.jpg@01CFA658.5CE491D0" alt=Caromonga.jpg></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Ioway census image:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><img width=456 height=108 id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image006.jpg@01CFA658.5CE491D0" alt=Caramonya.jpg></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So if it is "Cara-" instead of "Caro-", then that can open up more possibilities perhaps. But I'm still only coming up with ketą, kera and giro as my top suggestions for now.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Sky Campbell<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Language Director<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Otoe-Missouria Tribe<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>(580) 723-4466, ext. 111<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>sky@omtribe.org<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Siouan Linguistics [mailto:SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jimm G. GoodTracks<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 22, 2014 9:35 PM<br><b>To:</b> SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu<br><b>Subject:</b> [Possible SPAM] Re: Carominga<br><b>Importance:</b> Low<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:blue'>Well, going on what Jill says, the closet thing I can find is: </span><strong><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:#0033CC'>šedánaŋe; šedánaŋa</span></strong><i><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'> adv/prn. </span></i><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:black'>that distant curvilinear object yonder; that distant land in sight. </span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:blue'>However, I'm not comfortable that it is a good fit for "Carominga." I don't know if the original notation was from a French or English document, and as such, cannot know to consider the phonetic value of the "C." </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:blue'>But going with the possibility of it being "Ké" as in "Kétan" (turtle), we have: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormalCxSpMiddle style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify;text-indent:-.1in'><b><span style='color:#0033CC'>kéta<sup>n</sup>; ketú<sup>n</sup>ha;</span></b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'> keton^a (SKN); qetan (DOR)<i> n. </i></span><span style='color:black'>turtle. </span><b><span style='color:#0033CC'>kéta<sup>n</sup> xúha</span></b><i><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'> n. </span></i><span style='color:black'>turtle shell.</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:black'> <u>Kéta<sup>n</sup></u> wáñi pí añáñe ke, It is said that <u>turtle</u> meat is good.</span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:blue'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormalCxSpMiddle style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify;text-indent:-.1in'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#333399'> </span><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>kégrédheiñe; kégrédheiŋe</span></b><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:blue'> </span></b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>spotted (or) sand turtle<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormalCxSpMiddle style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify;text-indent:-.1in'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#333399'> </span><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>kehto<sup>n</sup>ha</span></b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'> (SKN)</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:blue'> </span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>snapping turtle; snapper<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormalCxSpMiddle style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify;text-indent:-.1in'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#333399'> </span><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>kémarax^í<sup>n</sup>; kemárax^i<sup>n</sup></span></b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'> (LWR)</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:blue'> </span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>snapping turtle</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#333399'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormalCxSpMiddle style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify;text-indent:-.1in'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#333399'> </span><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>ké márax^i<sup>n</sup></span></b><i><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:black'> </span></i><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>“wrinkled turtle”</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:blue'> </span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>mud turtle</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#333399'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormalCxSpMiddle style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify;text-indent:-.1in'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#333399'> </span><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>ketá<sup>n</sup>na</span></b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'> (LWR)</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:blue'> </span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>snapping turtle; snapper</span><span style='color:blue'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormalCxSpMiddle style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify;text-indent:-.1in'><span style='color:blue'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormalCxSpMiddle style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify;text-indent:-.1in'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:blue'> But you see, the best contender is for: </span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#333399'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormalCxSpMiddle style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify;text-indent:-.1in'><b><span style='color:#0033CC'> kéra</span></b><i><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'> adj. </span></i><span style='color:black'>clear</span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'> (<i>sky</i>)</span><span style='color:black'>. </span><b><span style='color:#0033CC'>Clear Day;</span></b><span style='color:#0033CC'> <b>Clear Sky Appears</b></span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'> (<i>a personal Buffalo Clan name</i>)<i> n.</i><i> </i></span><span style='color:black'>Kéra Tá<sup>n</sup>^i<sup>n</sup>; K^éra Tá<sup>n</sup>^i<sup>n</sup>.</span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'> **<i>SEE</i>: <b>githóje; clear.</b></span><span style='color:blue'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormalCxSpMiddle style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify;text-indent:-.1in'><strong><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'> </span></strong><span style='color:blue'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormalCxSpMiddle style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify;text-indent:-.1in'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:blue'>Also, thinking about the breakup of syllables as Justin suggest, there could be a connect with: </span><span style='color:blue'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormalCxSpMiddle style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify;text-indent:-.1in'><strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#0033CC'> </span></strong><strong><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:#0033CC'>romi<sup>n</sup>jí</span></strong><i><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:black'> n. </span></i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>island.</span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'> </span><span class=a><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#0033CC'>Romi<sup>n</sup>jí^iŋe(mi); Romí<sup>n</sup>chiŋe; Irómiŋhšji; Jéromi<sup>n</sup>je;</span></b></span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'> Romijiiŋemi (DOR); rúmitsí (MAX) (<i>a personal Buffalo Clan and Beaver Clan name</i>)<i> </i></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Little Island.</span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:#0033CC'> </span><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#0033CC'>Romihi<sup>n</sup>gu ~ Romihiŋu</span></b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'> (SKN)</span><strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#0033CC'>;</span></strong><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'> Romijiiŋemi (DOR)<i> </i>(<i>a personal Pigeon Clan name</i>)<i> </i></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Island.</span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'> </span><strong><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:blue'> </span></strong><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:blue'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:blue'> And there was maybe the "g" is really a "j" which gives only one unlikely possibility: <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=ES style='color:blue'> </span><strong><span lang=ES style='font-size:13.5pt;color:#0033CC'>má<sup>n</sup>je</span></strong><span lang=ES style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'> </span><span lang=ES style='font-size:13.5pt;color:blue'>(?)(LWR)</span><b><span lang=ES style='color:blue'>; masjé</span></b><i><span lang=ES style='color:blue'> adj/v.i. </span></i><span style='color:blue'>hot, warm (<i>weather</i>).<b><o:p></o:p></b></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:blue'>With the above, one could squeeze out a "Turtle Island," but, this possibility is not convincing to me. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:blue'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:blue'>SO THEN, </span></strong><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:blue'>in appreciation to everyone's input, I have arrived full circle to my original conjecture that the name that most likely fits the documented transcription is:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:blue'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:blue'>KéraMánge</span></strong><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:blue'> (Clearing Day All About~ Prevailing). In this case, the "mánge" (sitting) is used in the sense of a positional verb, saying that the clearing of the sky, was extensive over a wide area such might be view on the breathe of the open plains. Further, such a rendering would be consistant to similar clan names.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:blue'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:blue'>I suggest one possibilty for Grey in working with his narrative is to include with the composed name, the original transcription, such as, "<strong>KéraMánge</strong> (Clearing Day All About) [Carminga (Document Source citations)]. Unless, new evidence appears, or further information, this is the best that can be made of that name.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:blue'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:blue'>Hánhe Pi, Good Night, Buenas Noches!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:blue'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:blue'> </span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:blue'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:Greer-J@MSSU.EDU" title="mailto:Greer-J@MSSU.EDU
CTRL + Click to follow link">Greer, Jill</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Saturday, July 19, 2014 6:22 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu" title="mailto:SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu
CTRL + Click to follow link">SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Re: Carominga<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Justin and Sky - <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>You guys with your programming talents- impressive! <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Just one question for Jimm and Greg - if the original person who transcribed the name was French (or a mixed blood literate in French- as was common around St. Joseph), the first syllabie "Ca" could even be /Sa/ or /se/ rather than Key, n'est pas? I hate to muddy the waters, but all it takes is one person to miss the cedilla and we've switched the sound totally. These old names are so slippery, but fascinating! <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Best,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Jill<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Jul 18, 2014, at 8:17 PM, "Mcbride, Justin" <<a href="mailto:jtmcbri@OSTATEMAIL.OKSTATE.EDU" title="mailto:jtmcbri@OSTATEMAIL.OKSTATE.EDU
CTRL + Click to follow link">jtmcbri@OSTATEMAIL.OKSTATE.EDU</a>><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>When you showed me that program last year, Sky, I remember thinking, "Now, THIS is awesome!" As a guy who, for years, was asked questions like, "What's my Granddad's name mean?" on a weekly basis, only to be handed a string of indecipherable 'ah's, 'eh's, and hyphens with a few consonants mixed in for good measure, I would have relished the opportunity to see a list the possible permutations presented at once. Now, if you could just build in some phonotactic constraint logic and SQL interaction with some sort of lexical database to provide suggestions--you know, the easy stuff--you'd have the proverbial better mousetrap! :) Ah, it's fun to dream! <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>By the way, the name Kke Leze was the name of one of the last living male L1 Ks speakers. -jtm<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 7:34 PM, Sky Campbell <<a href="mailto:sky@legendreaders.com" target="_blank">sky@legendreaders.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Justin,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I thought of that too (and even thought of turtle LOL...ke for ketą) but nothing came to mind for the rest. We have a precedent for this which is a name listed as "Ke Greðe" (Prairie Turtle/Spotted Turtle). I seem to remember one or two more but can't think of them off the top of my head.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>And thanks for pointing out the "g" possibly being the "j" sound. That is usually one of the first things I consider but it totally slipped my mind. Man, I really, REALLY need to finish my "character/morpheme swap" program for situations like this.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Sky</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Siouan Linguistics [mailto:<a href="mailto:SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu" target="_blank">SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mcbride, Justin<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 18, 2014 5:46 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu" target="_blank">SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: Carominga</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Howdy, Jimm,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I wonder about the division of syllables into Caro and Monga. Is it possible that it could be Ca Romonga? I ask becasue, if it were a Kaw name, I'd think it might have something to do with kke, 'turtle,' which I'm pretty sure I've seen spelled as Ca in names before. I would also look at the r as representing either Ks y or l, and -ga part at the end (if it's not been switched, as Sky suggests, which I think is probable) as possibly representing like the Ks syllable j^e, which seems to happen fairly frequently in the names I've looked at. In short, I would expect something like kke yaNmaNj^e, which doesn't ring any bells at all in Ks. Now, I don't know much at all about IOM, lexically or phonologically--maybe this makes even less sense in IOM--but thought I just might throw that out there as food for thought. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>All the best,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>-Justin<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Sky Campbell <<a href="mailto:sky@legendreaders.com" target="_blank">sky@legendreaders.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The "caro" portion has me thinking of a few possibilities:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>kera (as you pointed out)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>giro (happy)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The "monga" has me thinking of:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>mange (lying down)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>mange (chest)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>womanke (easy) <-- perhaps unlikely</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>mąnka (medicine) <-- seems the most unlikely but I thought I'd throw it in there</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Last is a "theory" that I have that perhaps somehow, some way, "monga" might be a form of "manyi/manye". Considering how many examples of "ng" and "ny" being swapped out (sunge/sunye, -inge/-inye, etc.), I wonder if perhaps it might be a version of "manyi". Especially since that word is used in so many names already and your friend noted that it appears in other names as well. This is just speculation, of course. Speaking of which, if they could provide examples of other names that use "monga", it might help us figure it out.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Sky</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Siouan Linguistics [mailto:<a href="mailto:SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu" target="_blank">SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jimm G. GoodTracks<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 18, 2014 9:25 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu" target="_blank">SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Fw: Carominga</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:blue'>Does anyone have some thoughts to decipher the name: "Caromonga." The last part appears to be "mange" (be in sitting position). The first could be "kera" (cleared sky).</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:caxelolson@gmail.com" target="_blank" title="caxelolson@gmail.com">Greg Olson</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Friday, July 11, 2014 4:48 PM</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:jgoodtracks@gmail.com" target="_blank" title="mailto:jgoodtracks@gmail.com
CTRL + Click to follow link">Jimm GoodTracks</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Carominga</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Jimm, while proofing my manuscript, I came across an Ioway name I had overlooked. Caromonga. He is mentioned insome council meetings during the 1840s. I notice the end of the name- monga -appears in other names too. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Greg<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>-- Manage your subscription at <a href="http://listserv.unl.edu/" target="_blank">http://listserv.unl.edu</a>. <a href="http://listserv.unl.edu/" target="_blank">listserv.unl.edu</a> lists do not accept incoming email from <a href="http://Yahoo.com">Yahoo.com</a>, <a href="http://AOL.com">AOL.com</a> or <a href="http://Dropbox.com">Dropbox.com</a> due to thier DMARC policies. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>-- Manage your subscription at <a href="http://listserv.unl.edu/" target="_blank">http://listserv.unl.edu</a>. <a href="http://listserv.unl.edu/" target="_blank">listserv.unl.edu</a> lists do not accept incoming email from <a href="http://Yahoo.com">Yahoo.com</a>, <a href="http://AOL.com">AOL.com</a> or <a href="http://Dropbox.com">Dropbox.com</a> due to thier DMARC policies.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>-- Manage your subscription at <a href="http://listserv.unl.edu/" target="_blank">http://listserv.unl.edu</a>. <a href="http://listserv.unl.edu/" target="_blank">listserv.unl.edu</a> lists do not accept incoming email from <a href="http://Yahoo.com">Yahoo.com</a>, <a href="http://AOL.com">AOL.com</a> or <a href="http://Dropbox.com">Dropbox.com</a> due to thier DMARC policies. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>-- Manage your subscription at <a href="http://listserv.unl.edu/" target="_blank">http://listserv.unl.edu</a>. <a href="http://listserv.unl.edu/" target="_blank">listserv.unl.edu</a> lists do not accept incoming email from <a href="http://Yahoo.com">Yahoo.com</a>, <a href="http://AOL.com">AOL.com</a> or <a href="http://Dropbox.com" title="http://dropbox.com/
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