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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=4 face="Times New Roman">Based upon your finding
below, one can make a case for "máñi" perhaps even "mína." And that even
being so, the term/ name "KéraMáñi" (Clearing), is little changed in meaning
from the sense of "KéraMánge." </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=4 face="Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=4 face="Times New Roman">Being that Hamilton was
of a European background, where names of individual were accepted as it, with no
thought of a context or translation of a name, it is not a surprise that
Hamilton provided no translation. It would have been of interest if he
would have at least provided some personal data as to his person, character,
personality, community role other than he was "an old Indian who often visits
us." If you find a Hamiltons's Journal, it would be an interesting read,
just as was Irving's. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=sky@OMTRIBE.ORG
href="mailto:sky@OMTRIBE.ORG">Campbell, Sky</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 23, 2014 9:27 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu
href="mailto:SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu">SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Possible SPAM] Re: Carominga</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>Greg
was gracious enough to let me see the copies he was drawing from and sure
enough, it looks like "monga" in the name. But what I found interesting in
that document was other familiar names...Washkamonga and Neumonga which we've
seen elsewhere with the "monga" portion spelled with an "ny" instead of an
"ng". I also looked at the 1842 Ioway census and found "Caromonga" but
instead it was spelled "Caramonya". I did a quick Google search for
"Caramonya" and got a couple hits on some books that had excerpts from
Hamilton's journal. He describes "Caramonya" as "an old Indian who often
visits us." Unfortunately he doesn't translate the name. My first
reaction was to think that perhaps Hamilton might be using his own orthography
that he used in his books but the rest of the spelling doesn't bear that
out. I'd love to see more of Hamilton's journal to see if there are any
clues in there. Anyone know where I could get a hold of such a
thing?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>So
it looks like that ending may actually be "manyi" (but perhaps not for the
"ng/ny swap" that I suggested but maybe just a handwriting issue). And it
looks like both versions were written by the same person (there is the same
flourish on the capital "C" in both versions of the name).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>Council
meeting image:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'><IMG
id=Picture_x0020_0 alt=Caromonga.jpg
src="cid:28AEE088204F4CD8BF4AA65D337B6CCB@JGDellLaptop" width=455
height=141></SPAN><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>Ioway
census image:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'><IMG
id=Picture_x0020_1 alt=Caramonya.jpg
src="cid:90E8FB3A9E4C47C0A6C221AFCEEEBC1E@JGDellLaptop" width=456
height=108></SPAN><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>So
if it is "Cara-" instead of "Caro-", then that can open up more possibilities
perhaps. But I'm still only coming up with ketą, kera and giro as my top
suggestions for now.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>Sky
Campbell<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>Language
Director<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>Otoe-Missouria
Tribe<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>(580)
723-4466, ext. 111<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>sky@omtribe.org<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Siouan Linguistics
[mailto:SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Jimm G.
GoodTracks<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 22, 2014 9:35 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Possible SPAM] Re:
Carominga<BR><B>Importance:</B> Low<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue">Well, going on
what Jill says, the closet thing I can find is: </SPAN><STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: #0033cc">šedánaŋe;
šedánaŋa</SPAN></STRONG><I><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black">
adv/prn. </SPAN></I><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black">that
distant curvilinear object yonder; that distant land in sight.
</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue">However, I'm not comfortable
that it is a good fit for "Carominga." I don't know if the original
notation was from a French or English document, and as such, cannot know to
consider the phonetic value of the "C." </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue">But going with
the possibility of it being "Ké" as in "Kétan" (turtle), we
have: <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormalCxSpMiddle
style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify; TEXT-INDENT: -0.1in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><B><SPAN
style="COLOR: #0033cc">kéta<SUP>n</SUP>; ketú<SUP>n</SUP>ha;</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black"> keton^a (SKN); qetan (DOR)<I>
n. </I></SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black">turtle.
</SPAN><B><SPAN style="COLOR: #0033cc">kéta<SUP>n</SUP> xúha</SPAN></B><I><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black"> n. </SPAN></I><SPAN
style="COLOR: black">turtle shell.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black"> <U>Kéta<SUP>n</SUP></U> wáñi
pí añáñe ke, It is said that <U>turtle</U> meat is good.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: blue"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormalCxSpMiddle
style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify; TEXT-INDENT: -0.1in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #333399"> </SPAN><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black">kégrédheiñe; kégrédheiŋe</SPAN></B><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: blue">
</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black">spotted (or) sand
turtle<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormalCxSpMiddle
style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify; TEXT-INDENT: -0.1in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #333399"> </SPAN><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black">kehto<SUP>n</SUP>ha</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black"> (SKN)</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: blue">
</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black">snapping turtle;
snapper<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormalCxSpMiddle
style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify; TEXT-INDENT: -0.1in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #333399"> </SPAN><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black">kémarax^í<SUP>n</SUP>;
kemárax^i<SUP>n</SUP></SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black">
(LWR)</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: blue">
</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black">snapping turtle</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #333399"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormalCxSpMiddle
style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify; TEXT-INDENT: -0.1in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #333399"> </SPAN><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black">ké márax^i<SUP>n</SUP></SPAN></B><I><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></I><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black">“wrinkled turtle”</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: blue"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black">mud turtle</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #333399"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormalCxSpMiddle
style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify; TEXT-INDENT: -0.1in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #333399"> </SPAN><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black">ketá<SUP>n</SUP>na</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black"> (LWR)</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: blue">
</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black">snapping turtle;
snapper</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: blue"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormalCxSpMiddle
style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify; TEXT-INDENT: -0.1in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormalCxSpMiddle
style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify; TEXT-INDENT: -0.1in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue"> But
you see, the best contender is for: </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #333399"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormalCxSpMiddle
style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify; TEXT-INDENT: -0.1in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><B><SPAN
style="COLOR: #0033cc"> kéra</SPAN></B><I><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black"> adj. </SPAN></I><SPAN
style="COLOR: black">clear</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black">
(<I>sky</I>)</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black">. </SPAN><B><SPAN
style="COLOR: #0033cc">Clear Day;</SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR: #0033cc">
<B>Clear Sky Appears</B></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black">
(<I>a personal Buffalo Clan name</I>)<I> n.</I><I> </I></SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: black">Kéra Tá<SUP>n</SUP>^i<SUP>n</SUP>; K^éra
Tá<SUP>n</SUP>^i<SUP>n</SUP>.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black"> **<I>SEE</I>: <B>githóje;
clear.</B></SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: blue"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormalCxSpMiddle
style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify; TEXT-INDENT: -0.1in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></STRONG><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormalCxSpMiddle
style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify; TEXT-INDENT: -0.1in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue">Also, thinking about the breakup of
syllables as Justin suggest, there could be a connect with: </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormalCxSpMiddle
style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify; TEXT-INDENT: -0.1in; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0033cc"> </SPAN></STRONG><STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: #0033cc">romi<SUP>n</SUP>jí</SPAN></STRONG><I><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7pt; COLOR: black"> n. </SPAN></I><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">island.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN><SPAN class=a><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0033cc">Romi<SUP>n</SUP>jí^iŋe(mi);
Romí<SUP>n</SUP>chiŋe; Irómiŋhšji; Jéromi<SUP>n</SUP>je;</SPAN></B></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black"> Romijiiŋemi (DOR); rúmitsí (MAX)
(<I>a personal Buffalo Clan and Beaver Clan name</I>)<I> </I></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">Little Island.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: #0033cc"> </SPAN><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0033cc">Romihi<SUP>n</SUP>gu ~
Romihiŋu</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black">
(SKN)</SPAN><STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0033cc">;</SPAN></STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black"> Romijiiŋemi (DOR)<I> </I>(<I>a
personal Pigeon Clan name</I>)<I> </I></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">Island.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN><STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: blue"> </SPAN></STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: blue"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue"> And there
was maybe the "g" is really a "j" which gives only one unlikely
possibility: <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN lang=ES
style="COLOR: blue"> </SPAN><STRONG><SPAN lang=ES
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: #0033cc">má<SUP>n</SUP>je</SPAN></STRONG><SPAN
lang=ES style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN><SPAN lang=ES
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue">(?)(LWR)</SPAN><B><SPAN lang=ES
style="COLOR: blue">; masjé</SPAN></B><I><SPAN lang=ES
style="COLOR: blue"> adj/v.i. </SPAN></I><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue">hot, warm
(<I>weather</I>).<B><o:p></o:p></B></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue">With the above,
one could squeeze out a "Turtle Island," but, this possibility is not convincing
to me. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue">SO THEN,
</SPAN></STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue">in appreciation to
everyone's input, I have arrived full circle to my original conjecture that the
name that most likely fits the documented transcription
is:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue">KéraMánge</SPAN></STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue"> (Clearing Day All About~
Prevailing). In this case, the "mánge" (sitting) is used in the sense of a
positional verb, saying that the clearing of the sky, was
extensive over a wide area such might be view on the breathe of the
open plains. Further, such a rendering would be consistant to similar clan
names.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue">I suggest
one possibilty for Grey in working with his narrative is to include with the
composed name, the original transcription, such as, "<STRONG>KéraMánge</STRONG>
(Clearing Day All About) [Carminga (Document Source citations)].
Unless, new evidence appears, or further information, this is the best that can
be made of that name.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue">Hánhe Pi, Good
Night, Buenas Noches!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: blue"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <A
title="mailto:Greer-J@MSSU.EDU
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href="mailto:Greer-J@MSSU.EDU">Greer, Jill</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Saturday, July 19,
2014 6:22 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'>To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Re:
Carominga<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Justin and Sky - <o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>You guys with your programming talents- impressive!
<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Just one question for Jimm and Greg - if the original
person who transcribed the name was French (or a mixed blood literate in French-
as was common around St. Joseph), the first syllabie "Ca" could even
be /Sa/ or /se/ rather than Key, n'est pas? I hate to muddy
the waters, but all it takes is one person to miss the cedilla and we've
switched the sound totally. These old names are so slippery, but
fascinating! <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Best,<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Jill<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>On Jul 18, 2014, at 8:17 PM, "Mcbride, Justin" <<A
title="mailto:jtmcbri@OSTATEMAIL.OKSTATE.EDU
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href="mailto:jtmcbri@OSTATEMAIL.OKSTATE.EDU">jtmcbri@OSTATEMAIL.OKSTATE.EDU</A>><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal> wrote:<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><BR><BR><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>When you showed me that program last year, Sky, I remember
thinking, "Now, THIS is awesome!" As a guy who, for years, was asked questions
like, "What's my Granddad's name mean?" on a weekly basis, only to be handed a
string of indecipherable 'ah's, 'eh's, and hyphens with a few consonants mixed
in for good measure, I would have relished the opportunity to see a list the
possible permutations presented at once. Now, if you could just build in some
phonotactic constraint logic and SQL interaction with some sort of lexical
database to provide suggestions--you know, the easy stuff--you'd have the
proverbial better mousetrap! :) Ah, it's fun to dream!
<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>By the way, the name Kke Leze was the name of one of the last
living male L1 Ks speakers. -jtm<o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 7:34 PM, Sky Campbell <<A
href="mailto:sky@legendreaders.com" target=_blank>sky@legendreaders.com</A>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>Justin,</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>I
thought of that too (and even thought of turtle LOL...ke for ketą) but nothing
came to mind for the rest. We have a precedent for this which is a name
listed as "Ke Greðe" (Prairie Turtle/Spotted Turtle). I seem to remember
one or two more but can't think of them off the top of my
head.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>And
thanks for pointing out the "g" possibly being the "j" sound. That is
usually one of the first things I consider but it totally slipped my mind.
Man, I really, REALLY need to finish my "character/morpheme swap" program for
situations like this.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>Sky</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV
style="BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-TOP: 3pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in">
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Siouan Linguistics
[mailto:<A href="mailto:SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu"
target=_blank>SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Mcbride,
Justin<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 18, 2014 5:46 PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu"
target=_blank>SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
Carominga</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">Howdy,
Jimm,<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">I wonder about the
division of syllables into Caro and Monga. Is it possible that it could be Ca
Romonga? I ask becasue, if it were a Kaw name, I'd think it might have something
to do with kke, 'turtle,' which I'm pretty sure I've seen spelled as Ca in names
before. I would also look at the r as representing either Ks y or l, and -ga
part at the end (if it's not been switched, as Sky suggests, which I think is
probable) as possibly representing like the Ks syllable j^e, which seems to
happen fairly frequently in the names I've looked at. In short, I would expect
something like kke yaNmaNj^e, which doesn't ring any bells at all in Ks. Now, I
don't know much at all about IOM, lexically or phonologically--maybe this makes
even less sense in IOM--but thought I just might throw that out there as food
for thought. <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">All the
best,<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">-Justin<o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">On Fri, Jul 18,
2014 at 3:54 PM, Sky Campbell <<A href="mailto:sky@legendreaders.com"
target=_blank>sky@legendreaders.com</A>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>The
"caro" portion has me thinking of a few possibilities:</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>kera
(as you pointed out)</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>giro
(happy)</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>The
"monga" has me thinking of:</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>mange
(lying down)</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>mange
(chest)</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>womanke
(easy) <-- perhaps unlikely</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>mąnka
(medicine) <-- seems the most unlikely but I thought I'd throw it in
there</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>Last
is a "theory" that I have that perhaps somehow, some way, "monga" might be a
form of "manyi/manye". Considering how many examples of "ng" and "ny"
being swapped out (sunge/sunye, -inge/-inye, etc.), I wonder if perhaps it might
be a version of "manyi". Especially since that word is used in so many
names already and your friend noted that it appears in other names as well.
This is just speculation, of course. Speaking of which, if they
could provide examples of other names that use "monga", it might help us figure
it out.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>Sky</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Siouan Linguistics
[mailto:<A href="mailto:SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu"
target=_blank>SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Jimm G.
GoodTracks<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 18, 2014 9:25 AM<BR><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu"
target=_blank>SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> Fw:
Carominga</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue">Does anyone have some thoughts to
decipher the name: "Caromonga." The last part appears to be "mange" (be in
sitting position). The first could be "kera" (cleared
sky).</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <A
title=caxelolson@gmail.com href="mailto:caxelolson@gmail.com" target=_blank>Greg
Olson</A> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Friday, July 11,
2014 4:48 PM</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'>To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <A
title="mailto:jgoodtracks@gmail.com
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href="mailto:jgoodtracks@gmail.com" target=_blank>Jimm GoodTracks</A>
</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
Carominga</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto">Jimm, while
proofing my manuscript, I came across an Ioway name I had overlooked.
Caromonga. He is mentioned insome council meetings during the 1840s. I
notice the end of the name- monga -appears in other names too. <o:p></o:p></P>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal
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