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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=4 face="Times New Roman">Lori:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=4 face="Times New Roman">Darihga: I would
appreciate it if you could also send me a PDF of the Hamilton Journal. I
do not believe I have ever seen it.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=4 face="Times New Roman">Aho, Jimm</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=stanleyl@LUTHER.EDU
href="mailto:stanleyl@LUTHER.EDU">Lori Stanley</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 24, 2014 3:11 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu
href="mailto:SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu">SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Possible SPAM] Re: Carominga</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Sky,<BR>Here is the reference for the published version of
Hamilton's journal:<BR><BR>
<P class=MsoNormal>Hamilton, William</P>
<P class=MsoNormal>1885<SPAN> </SPAN>Autobiography of Reverend
William Hamilton.<SPAN> </SPAN><U>Transactions and Reports of the Nebraska
State Historical Society</U> 1:60-75.</P>
<P class=MsoNormal><BR></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>I'm sure I have a copy and could send you a PDF, but I'm out
of town for a few days. Let me know if you get hold of it. If not,
I'll send it when I get back.</P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Lori<BR></P>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Campbell, Sky <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:sky@omtribe.org"
target=_blank>sky@omtribe.org</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>Those
names are listed with "manyi" in other sources. For example, Catlin has
"Neu-mon-ya" and "Wash-ka-mon-ya" where that "manyi" can (usually) refer to
"walk" or "always". Ioway treaties has spellings like "Washcommanee" and
"Ne-o-mon-ni". What I'm thinking is that perhaps the "monga" came from
looking a poor copies of old documents and that those "g" characters are most
likely "y" characters. These characters are handwritten and it only
takes one little movement to "close up" a "y" at the top and make it look like
a "g".<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>I've
seen "Niyu Manyi" translated as walking rain, moving rain, and always
raining. I tend to lean towards that last one.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>The
name "Washka Manyi" as been translated as great walker, great marcher, and
fast dancer so that one is a little tougher. I can see how "washka"
could maybe be a mash-up of "washi" (dance) and "kątha" (fast). But when
I decided to hit up a Ponca friend about his name "Washka" (that's his legal
name, not just his "Indian name"), I found out the full form of his name is
"Washka Mathi" which he translated as "Stands Strong." I know that
"mathi" in Ponca/Omaha is a cognate to the Otoe-Ioway "manyi" and also that
Otoes and Ioways had the form "mathi" a long time ago. So that got me to
thinking that perhaps this Ioway individual might have roughly the same name
as my Ponca friend (cognate forms notwithstanding). The only trouble
with that theory is that I've never seen a term "washka" to mean "strong" like
it does in Ponca. Dorsey shows the Jiwere cognate to "washka" as "brixe"
(which is the term I am familiar with). So is this one of those
instances where Otoe-Ioway had more in common with Dhegiha almost 200 years
ago and "washka" was used to mean "strong" (or a similiar idea) but no longer
does? It would seem likely since some of those translations for that
name have the word "great" in them along with walker or marcher. Strong
walker/strong marcher perhaps? But without more information, this is
just yet another thing for me to keep in the back of my mind until I find that
bit of information that helps clear it up. May that day come
soon!<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Siouan
Linguistics [mailto:<A href="mailto:SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu"
target=_blank>SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Rory
Larson<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 23, 2014 1:15 PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu"
target=_blank>SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Possible
SPAM] Re: Carominga<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>Sky,
do we know what “monga” means in the other names, Washkamonga and
Neumonga?<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>Best,<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>Rory<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
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style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>
<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d"><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Siouan
Linguistics [<A href="mailto:SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu"
target=_blank>mailto:SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu</A>] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Campbell, Sky<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 23, 2014 9:28
AM<BR><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU"
target=_blank>SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Possible
SPAM] Re: Carominga<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>Greg
was gracious enough to let me see the copies he was drawing from and sure
enough, it looks like "monga" in the name. But what I found interesting
in that document was other familiar names...Washkamonga and Neumonga which
we've seen elsewhere with the "monga" portion spelled with an "ny" instead of
an "ng". I also looked at the 1842 Ioway census and found "Caromonga"
but instead it was spelled "Caramonya". I did a quick Google search for
"Caramonya" and got a couple hits on some books that had excerpts from
Hamilton's journal. He describes "Caramonya" as "an old Indian who often
visits us." Unfortunately he doesn't translate the name. My first
reaction was to think that perhaps Hamilton might be using his own orthography
that he used in his books but the rest of the spelling doesn't bear that
out. I'd love to see more of Hamilton's journal to see if there are any
clues in there. Anyone know where I could get a hold of such a
thing?<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>So
it looks like that ending may actually be "manyi" (but perhaps not for the
"ng/ny swap" that I suggested but maybe just a handwriting issue). And
it looks like both versions were written by the same person (there is the same
flourish on the capital "C" in both versions of the
name).<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>Council
meeting image:<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'><IMG
border=0 alt=Caromonga.jpg
src="cid:9E9F3A6CB58243169A3E1195B498FF3F@JGDellLaptop" width=455
height=141><U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>Ioway
census image:<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'><IMG
border=0 alt=Caramonya.jpg
src="cid:A1A995D91A5C4A999C8CE8C369BDD8DC@JGDellLaptop" width=456
height=108><U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>So
if it is "Cara-" instead of "Caro-", then that can open up more possibilities
perhaps. But I'm still only coming up with ketą, kera and giro as my top
suggestions for now.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
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Campbell<U></U><U></U></SPAN></B></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Siouan
Linguistics [<A href="mailto:SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu"
target=_blank>mailto:SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Jimm G.
GoodTracks<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 22, 2014 9:35 PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu"
target=_blank>SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> [Possible SPAM]
Re: Carominga<BR><B>Importance:</B> Low<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue">Well, going on
what Jill says, the closet thing I can find is: </SPAN><STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: #0033cc">šedánaŋe;
šedánaŋa</SPAN></STRONG><I><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black">
adv/prn. </SPAN></I><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: black">that
distant curvilinear object yonder; that distant land in sight.
</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue">However, I'm not
comfortable that it is a good fit for "Carominga." I don't know if the
original notation was from a French or English document, and as such, cannot
know to consider the phonetic value of the "C."
</SPAN><U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue">But going with
the possibility of it being "Ké" as in "Kétan" (turtle), we
have: <U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><B><SPAN
style="COLOR: #0033cc">kéta<SUP>n</SUP>; ketú<SUP>n</SUP>ha;</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black"> keton^a (SKN); qetan (DOR)<I>
n. </I></SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black">turtle.
</SPAN><B><SPAN style="COLOR: #0033cc">kéta<SUP>n</SUP>
xúha</SPAN></B><I><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black"> n.
</SPAN></I><SPAN style="COLOR: black">turtle shell.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black"> <U>Kéta<SUP>n</SUP></U> wáñi
pí añáñe ke, It is said that <U>turtle</U> meat is good.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: blue"><U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #333399">
</SPAN><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black">kégrédheiñe;
kégrédheiŋe</SPAN></B><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: blue">
</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black">spotted (or) sand
turtle<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #333399">
</SPAN><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black">kehto<SUP>n</SUP>ha</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black"> (SKN)</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: blue">
</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black">snapping turtle;
snapper<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #333399">
</SPAN><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black">kémarax^í<SUP>n</SUP>;
kemárax^i<SUP>n</SUP></SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black">
(LWR)</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: blue">
</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black">snapping turtle</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #333399"><U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #333399">
</SPAN><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black">ké
márax^i<SUP>n</SUP></SPAN></B><I><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black">
</SPAN></I><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black">“wrinkled
turtle”</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: blue"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black">mud turtle</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #333399"><U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #333399">
</SPAN><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black">ketá<SUP>n</SUP>na</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black"> (LWR)</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: blue">
</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black">snapping turtle;
snapper</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: blue"><U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue"><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue"> But
you see, the best contender is for: </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #333399"><U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><B><SPAN
style="COLOR: #0033cc"> kéra</SPAN></B><I><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black"> adj. </SPAN></I><SPAN
style="COLOR: black">clear</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black">
(<I>sky</I>)</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black">. </SPAN><B><SPAN
style="COLOR: #0033cc">Clear Day;</SPAN></B><SPAN style="COLOR: #0033cc">
<B>Clear Sky Appears</B></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black"> (<I>a personal Buffalo Clan
name</I>)<I> n. </I></SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Kéra
Tá<SUP>n</SUP>^i<SUP>n</SUP>; K^éra Tá<SUP>n</SUP>^i<SUP>n</SUP>.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black"> **<I>SEE</I>: <B>githóje;
clear.</B></SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: blue"><U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></STRONG><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue"><U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue">Also, thinking about the breakup of
syllables as Justin suggest, there could be a connect with: </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue"><U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0033cc"> </SPAN></STRONG><STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: #0033cc">romi<SUP>n</SUP>jí</SPAN></STRONG><I><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7pt; COLOR: black"> n. </SPAN></I><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">island.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN><SPAN><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0033cc">Romi<SUP>n</SUP>jí^iŋe(mi);
Romí<SUP>n</SUP>chiŋe; Irómiŋhšji;
Jéromi<SUP>n</SUP>je;</SPAN></B></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black"> Romijiiŋemi (DOR); rúmitsí (MAX)
(<I>a personal Buffalo Clan and Beaver Clan name</I>)<I>
</I></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">Little
Island.</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: #0033cc">
</SPAN><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0033cc">Romihi<SUP>n</SUP>gu ~
Romihiŋu</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black">
(SKN)</SPAN><STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0033cc">;</SPAN></STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black"> Romijiiŋemi (DOR)<I> </I>(<I>a
personal Pigeon Clan name</I>)<I> </I></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">Island.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN><STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: blue"> </SPAN></STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: blue"><U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue"> And
there was maybe the "g" is really a "j" which gives only one unlikely
possibility: <U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=ES
style="COLOR: blue"> </SPAN><STRONG><SPAN lang=ES
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: #0033cc">má<SUP>n</SUP>je</SPAN></STRONG><SPAN
lang=ES style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN><SPAN lang=ES
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue">(?)(LWR)</SPAN><B><SPAN lang=ES
style="COLOR: blue">; masjé</SPAN></B><I><SPAN lang=ES
style="COLOR: blue"> adj/v.i. </SPAN></I><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue">hot, warm
(<I>weather</I>).<B><U></U><U></U></B></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue">With the
above, one could squeeze out a "Turtle Island," but, this possibility is not
convincing to me. <U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue"><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue">SO
THEN, </SPAN></STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue">in
appreciation to everyone's input, I have arrived full circle to my original
conjecture that the name that most likely fits the documented transcription
is:<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue"><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue">KéraMánge</SPAN></STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue"> (Clearing Day All About~
Prevailing). In this case, the "mánge" (sitting) is used in the sense of
a positional verb, saying that the clearing of the sky, was
extensive over a wide area such might be view on the breathe of the
open plains. Further, such a rendering would be consistant to similar
clan names.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue"><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue">I suggest
one possibilty for Grey in working with his narrative is to include with the
composed name, the original transcription, such as,
"<STRONG>KéraMánge</STRONG> (Clearing Day All About) [Carminga (Document
Source citations)]. Unless, new evidence appears, or further
information, this is the best that can be made of that
name.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue"><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue">Hánhe Pi, Good
Night, Buenas Noches!<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue"><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue"></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: blue"><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'><U></U><U></U></SPAN> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <A
title="mailto:Greer-J@MSSU.EDU
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href="mailto:Greer-J@MSSU.EDU" target=_blank>Greer, Jill</A>
<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Saturday, July
19, 2014 6:22 PM<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'>To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <A
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Re:
Carominga<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Justin and Sky - <U></U><U></U></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>You guys with your programming talents- impressive!
<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Just one question for Jimm and Greg - if the original
person who transcribed the name was French (or a mixed blood literate in
French- as was common around St. Joseph), the first syllabie "Ca"
could even be /Sa/ or /se/ rather than Key, n'est pas? I
hate to muddy the waters, but all it takes is one person to miss the cedilla
and we've switched the sound totally. These old names are so slippery,
but fascinating! <U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Best,<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Jill<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <U></U><U></U></P>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>On Jul 18, 2014, at 8:17 PM, "Mcbride, Justin" <<A
title="mailto:jtmcbri@OSTATEMAIL.OKSTATE.EDU
CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:jtmcbri@OSTATEMAIL.OKSTATE.EDU"
target=_blank>jtmcbri@OSTATEMAIL.OKSTATE.EDU</A>><U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> wrote:<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><U></U><U></U> </P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>When you showed me that program last year, Sky, I remember
thinking, "Now, THIS is awesome!" As a guy who, for years, was asked questions
like, "What's my Granddad's name mean?" on a weekly basis, only to be handed a
string of indecipherable 'ah's, 'eh's, and hyphens with a few consonants mixed
in for good measure, I would have relished the opportunity to see a list the
possible permutations presented at once. Now, if you could just build in some
phonotactic constraint logic and SQL interaction with some sort of lexical
database to provide suggestions--you know, the easy stuff--you'd have the
proverbial better mousetrap! :) Ah, it's fun to dream!
<U></U><U></U></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>By the way, the name Kke Leze was the name of one of the
last living male L1 Ks speakers. -jtm<U></U><U></U></P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><U></U><U></U> </P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 7:34 PM, Sky Campbell <<A
href="mailto:sky@legendreaders.com"
target=_blank>sky@legendreaders.com</A>> wrote:<U></U><U></U></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>Justin,</SPAN><U></U><U></U></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>I
thought of that too (and even thought of turtle LOL...ke for ketą) but nothing
came to mind for the rest. We have a precedent for this which is a name
listed as "Ke Greðe" (Prairie Turtle/Spotted Turtle). I seem to remember
one or two more but can't think of them off the top of my
head.</SPAN><U></U><U></U></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>And
thanks for pointing out the "g" possibly being the "j" sound. That is
usually one of the first things I consider but it totally slipped my
mind. Man, I really, REALLY need to finish my "character/morpheme swap"
program for situations like this.</SPAN><U></U><U></U></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>Sky</SPAN><U></U><U></U></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P>
<DIV
style="BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-TOP: 3pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in">
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Siouan
Linguistics [mailto:<A href="mailto:SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu"
target=_blank>SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Mcbride,
Justin<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 18, 2014 5:46 PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu"
target=_blank>SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
Carominga</SPAN><U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Howdy, Jimm,<U></U><U></U></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>I wonder about the division of syllables into Caro and
Monga. Is it possible that it could be Ca Romonga? I ask becasue, if it were a
Kaw name, I'd think it might have something to do with kke, 'turtle,' which
I'm pretty sure I've seen spelled as Ca in names before. I would also look at
the r as representing either Ks y or l, and -ga part at the end (if it's not
been switched, as Sky suggests, which I think is probable) as possibly
representing like the Ks syllable j^e, which seems to happen fairly frequently
in the names I've looked at. In short, I would expect something like kke
yaNmaNj^e, which doesn't ring any bells at all in Ks. Now, I don't know much
at all about IOM, lexically or phonologically--maybe this makes even less
sense in IOM--but thought I just might throw that out there as food for
thought. <U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>All the best,<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>-Justin<U></U><U></U></P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><U></U><U></U> </P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Sky Campbell <<A
href="mailto:sky@legendreaders.com"
target=_blank>sky@legendreaders.com</A>> wrote:<U></U><U></U></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>The
"caro" portion has me thinking of a few
possibilities:</SPAN><U></U><U></U></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>kera
(as you pointed out)</SPAN><U></U><U></U></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>giro
(happy)</SPAN><U></U><U></U></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>The
"monga" has me thinking of:</SPAN><U></U><U></U></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>mange
(lying down)</SPAN><U></U><U></U></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>mange
(chest)</SPAN><U></U><U></U></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>womanke
(easy) <-- perhaps unlikely</SPAN><U></U><U></U></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>mąnka
(medicine) <-- seems the most unlikely but I thought I'd throw it in
there</SPAN><U></U><U></U></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>Last
is a "theory" that I have that perhaps somehow, some way, "monga" might be a
form of "manyi/manye". Considering how many examples of "ng" and "ny"
being swapped out (sunge/sunye, -inge/-inye, etc.), I wonder if perhaps it
might be a version of "manyi". Especially since that word is used in so
many names already and your friend noted that it appears in other names as
well. This is just speculation, of course. Speaking of which, if
they could provide examples of other names that use "monga", it might help us
figure it out.</SPAN><U></U><U></U></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>Sky</SPAN><U></U><U></U></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P>
<DIV>
<DIV
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Siouan
Linguistics [mailto:<A href="mailto:SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu"
target=_blank>SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Jimm G.
GoodTracks<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 18, 2014 9:25 AM<BR><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu"
target=_blank>SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> Fw:
Carominga</SPAN><U></U><U></U></P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue">Does anyone
have some thoughts to decipher the name: "Caromonga." The last part
appears to be "mange" (be in sitting position). The first could be
"kera" (cleared sky).</SPAN><U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <A
title=caxelolson@gmail.com href="mailto:caxelolson@gmail.com"
target=_blank>Greg Olson</A> </SPAN><U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Friday, July 11,
2014 4:48 PM</SPAN><U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'>To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <A
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href="mailto:jgoodtracks@gmail.com" target=_blank>Jimm GoodTracks</A>
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
Carominga</SPAN><U></U><U></U></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Jimm, while proofing my manuscript, I came across an
Ioway name I had overlooked. Caromonga. He is mentioned insome council
meetings during the 1840s. I notice the end of the name- monga -appears
in other names too. <U></U><U></U></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Greg<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
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