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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Wow, thank you! I've been over Hamilton and Irvin's material up one side and down the other approximately 345,681,130 times and each time I do, I learn and understand more. We've already transcribed their books (makes it SUPER easy to do a quick search for something!) and are in the process of transliterating them. They paid so much attention to detail in those books that I'm hoping that his journal is the same way and that there is some good language information floating around in there.<i><o:p></o:p></i></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I'll attach a PDF of the extracts from Hamilton's journal with the mention of "Caramonya". It is on the second page (page 372) under the section of "Superstition of the Indians - Otter Dance". It is a neat little blurb about how Hamilton shot a "weasel" and that Caramonya wished he hadn't shot it because if he hadn't, he could have taken the skin and made a shirt that would make him impervious to bullets. He said if he made the shirt of one that had been shot, he'd be killed and that it needed to be choked to death instead.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>What I hope for is more names mentioned (Hopefully with translations...Merrill has quite a few names in his diary but not translations. I've been able to figure most of them out but there are a few that still throw me for a loop) and anything else to do with language. In the autobiography I sent last night, Hamilton mentions how the Missourias speak in a peculiar way because they were still getting used to Otoe and he also gave his own interpretation for "Wakąnda". So it is those kinds of things that I'm after.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Again, thank you!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Sky Campbell<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Language Director<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Otoe-Missouria Tribe<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>(580) 723-4466, ext. 111<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>sky@omtribe.org<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Siouan Linguistics [mailto:SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Lori Stanley<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 25, 2014 12:49 AM<br><b>To:</b> SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Possible SPAM] Re: Carominga<br><b>Importance:</b> Low<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Sky,<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>After I sent the previous email it occurred to me that the 1885 autobiography was probably not what you were looking for, but I wasn't able to check the document for a reference to "Caramonya" since I don't have access to my files right now. You cleared up that question with your last email.<br><br>An online search has reminded me that Hamilton's original journal is in the Lewis Henry Morgan archives, and I'm pretty sure I have a copy of it. In fact, the line about "Caramonya," the "old Indian who often visits us," sounds very familiar. I'll check on this when I get back to Decorah in a few days.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Lori<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 9:25 PM, Jimm G. GoodTracks <<a href="mailto:jgoodtracks@gmail.com" target="_blank">jgoodtracks@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div name="Compose message area"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:blue'>Thanks Sky! Great read that fills in and colors some of the early day life and scenes in the life of the people. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:sky@LEGENDREADERS.COM" target="_blank" title="sky@LEGENDREADERS.COM">Sky Campbell</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Thursday, July 24, 2014 7:06 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu" target="_blank" title="SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu">SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Re: [Possible SPAM] Re: Carominga<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks for the idea but unfortunately I already have that. It isn't his journal but instead Hamilton was asked to write an autobiography. This autobiography is great reading and is in the form of a letter but unfortunately it isn't his journal :(.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I'll attach it to this email just in case someone is interested. Jimm, I believe you've seen this before but if not, happy reading! :)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Sky</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Siouan Linguistics [mailto:<a href="mailto:SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu" target="_blank">SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Lori Stanley<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 24, 2014 3:12 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu" target="_blank">SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Possible SPAM] Re: Carominga</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Sky,<br>Here is the reference for the published version of Hamilton's journal:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hamilton, William<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>1885 Autobiography of Reverend William Hamilton. <u>Transactions and Reports of the Nebraska State Historical Society</u> 1:60-75.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I'm sure I have a copy and could send you a PDF, but I'm out of town for a few days. Let me know if you get hold of it. If not, I'll send it when I get back.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Lori<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Campbell, Sky <<a href="mailto:sky@omtribe.org" target="_blank">sky@omtribe.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Those names are listed with "manyi" in other sources. For example, Catlin has "Neu-mon-ya" and "Wash-ka-mon-ya" where that "manyi" can (usually) refer to "walk" or "always". Ioway treaties has spellings like "Washcommanee" and "Ne-o-mon-ni". What I'm thinking is that perhaps the "monga" came from looking a poor copies of old documents and that those "g" characters are most likely "y" characters. These characters are handwritten and it only takes one little movement to "close up" a "y" at the top and make it look like a "g".</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I've seen "Niyu Manyi" translated as walking rain, moving rain, and always raining. I tend to lean towards that last one.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The name "Washka Manyi" as been translated as great walker, great marcher, and fast dancer so that one is a little tougher. I can see how "washka" could maybe be a mash-up of "washi" (dance) and "kątha" (fast). But when I decided to hit up a Ponca friend about his name "Washka" (that's his legal name, not just his "Indian name"), I found out the full form of his name is "Washka Mathi" which he translated as "Stands Strong." I know that "mathi" in Ponca/Omaha is a cognate to the Otoe-Ioway "manyi" and also that Otoes and Ioways had the form "mathi" a long time ago. So that got me to thinking that perhaps this Ioway individual might have roughly the same name as my Ponca friend (cognate forms notwithstanding). The only trouble with that theory is that I've never seen a term "washka" to mean "strong" like it does in Ponca. Dorsey shows the Jiwere cognate to "washka" as "brixe" (which is the term I am familiar with). So is this one of those instances where Otoe-Ioway had more in common with Dhegiha almost 200 years ago and "washka" was used to mean "strong" (or a similiar idea) but no longer does? It would seem likely since some of those translations for that name have the word "great" in them along with walker or marcher. Strong walker/strong marcher perhaps? But without more information, this is just yet another thing for me to keep in the back of my mind until I find that bit of information that helps clear it up. May that day come soon!</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Sky Campbell</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Language Director</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Otoe-Missouria Tribe</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="tel:%28580%29%20723-4466%2C%20ext.%20111" target="_blank">(580) 723-4466, ext. 111</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:sky@omtribe.org" target="_blank">sky@omtribe.org</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Siouan Linguistics [mailto:<a href="mailto:SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu" target="_blank">SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Rory Larson<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 23, 2014 1:15 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu" target="_blank">SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Possible SPAM] Re: Carominga</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Sky, do we know what “monga” means in the other names, Washkamonga and Neumonga?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Best,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Rory</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Siouan Linguistics [<a href="mailto:SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu" target="_blank">mailto:SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Campbell, Sky<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 23, 2014 9:28 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU" target="_blank">SIOUAN@LISTSERV.UNL.EDU</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Possible SPAM] Re: Carominga</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Greg was gracious enough to let me see the copies he was drawing from and sure enough, it looks like "monga" in the name. But what I found interesting in that document was other familiar names...Washkamonga and Neumonga which we've seen elsewhere with the "monga" portion spelled with an "ny" instead of an "ng". I also looked at the 1842 Ioway census and found "Caromonga" but instead it was spelled "Caramonya". I did a quick Google search for "Caramonya" and got a couple hits on some books that had excerpts from Hamilton's journal. He describes "Caramonya" as "an old Indian who often visits us." Unfortunately he doesn't translate the name. My first reaction was to think that perhaps Hamilton might be using his own orthography that he used in his books but the rest of the spelling doesn't bear that out. I'd love to see more of Hamilton's journal to see if there are any clues in there. Anyone know where I could get a hold of such a thing?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So it looks like that ending may actually be "manyi" (but perhaps not for the "ng/ny swap" that I suggested but maybe just a handwriting issue). And it looks like both versions were written by the same person (there is the same flourish on the capital "C" in both versions of the name).</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Council meeting image:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><img border=0 width=455 height=141 id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image001.jpg@01CFA7E0.11AAE8C0" alt=Caromonga.jpg></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Ioway census image:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><img border=0 width=456 height=108 id="_x0000_i1026" src="cid:image002.jpg@01CFA7E0.11AAE8C0" alt=Caramonya.jpg></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So if it is "Cara-" instead of "Caro-", then that can open up more possibilities perhaps. But I'm still only coming up with ketą, kera and giro as my top suggestions for now.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Sky Campbell</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Language Director</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Otoe-Missouria Tribe</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="tel:%28580%29%20723-4466%2C%20ext.%20111" target="_blank">(580) 723-4466, ext. 111</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:sky@omtribe.org" target="_blank">sky@omtribe.org</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Siouan Linguistics [<a href="mailto:SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu" target="_blank">mailto:SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jimm G. GoodTracks<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 22, 2014 9:35 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu" target="_blank">SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [Possible SPAM] Re: Carominga<br><b>Importance:</b> Low</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:blue'>Well, going on what Jill says, the closet thing I can find is: </span><strong><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:#0033CC'>šedánaŋe; šedánaŋa</span></strong><i><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'> adv/prn. </span></i><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:black'>that distant curvilinear object yonder; that distant land in sight. </span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:blue'>However, I'm not comfortable that it is a good fit for "Carominga." I don't know if the original notation was from a French or English document, and as such, cannot know to consider the phonetic value of the "C." </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:blue'>But going with the possibility of it being "Ké" as in "Kétan" (turtle), we have: </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify'><b><span style='color:#0033CC'>kéta<sup>n</sup>; ketú<sup>n</sup>ha;</span></b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'> keton^a (SKN); qetan (DOR)<i> n. </i></span><span style='color:black'>turtle. </span><b><span style='color:#0033CC'>kéta<sup>n</sup> xúha</span></b><i><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'> n. </span></i><span style='color:black'>turtle shell.</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:black'> <u>Kéta<sup>n</sup></u> wáñi pí añáñe ke, It is said that <u>turtle</u> meat is good.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#333399'> </span><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>kégrédheiñe; kégrédheiŋe</span></b><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:blue'> </span></b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>spotted (or) sand turtle</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#333399'> </span><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>kehto<sup>n</sup>ha</span></b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'> (SKN)</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:blue'> </span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>snapping turtle; snapper</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#333399'> </span><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>kémarax^í<sup>n</sup>; kemárax^i<sup>n</sup></span></b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'> (LWR)</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:blue'> </span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>snapping turtle</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#333399'> </span><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>ké márax^i<sup>n</sup></span></b><i><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:black'> </span></i><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>“wrinkled turtle”</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:blue'> </span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>mud turtle</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#333399'> </span><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>ketá<sup>n</sup>na</span></b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'> (LWR)</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:blue'> </span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:black'>snapping turtle; snapper</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify'><span style='color:blue'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:blue'> But you see, the best contender is for: </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify'><b><span style='color:#0033CC'> kéra</span></b><i><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'> adj. </span></i><span style='color:black'>clear</span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'> (<i>sky</i>)</span><span style='color:black'>. </span><b><span style='color:#0033CC'>Clear Day;</span></b><span style='color:#0033CC'> <b>Clear Sky Appears</b></span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'> (<i>a personal Buffalo Clan name</i>)<i> n. </i></span><span style='color:black'>Kéra Tá<sup>n</sup>^i<sup>n</sup>; K^éra Tá<sup>n</sup>^i<sup>n</sup>.</span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'> **<i>SEE</i>: <b>githóje; clear.</b></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify'><strong><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'> </span></strong><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:blue'>Also, thinking about the breakup of syllables as Justin suggest, there could be a connect with: </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:justify'><strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#0033CC'> </span></strong><strong><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:#0033CC'>romi<sup>n</sup>jí</span></strong><i><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:black'> n. </span></i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>island.</span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'> </span><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#0033CC'>Romi<sup>n</sup>jí^iŋe(mi); Romí<sup>n</sup>chiŋe; Irómiŋhšji; Jéromi<sup>n</sup>je;</span></b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'> Romijiiŋemi (DOR); rúmitsí (MAX) (<i>a personal Buffalo Clan and Beaver Clan name</i>)<i> </i></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Little Island.</span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:#0033CC'> </span><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#0033CC'>Romihi<sup>n</sup>gu ~ Romihiŋu</span></b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'> (SKN)</span><strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#0033CC'>;</span></strong><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'> Romijiiŋemi (DOR)<i> </i>(<i>a personal Pigeon Clan name</i>)<i> </i></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Island.</span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'> </span><strong><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:blue'> </span></strong><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:blue'> And there was maybe the "g" is really a "j" which gives only one unlikely possibility: </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=ES style='color:blue'> </span><strong><span lang=ES style='font-size:13.5pt;color:#0033CC'>má<sup>n</sup>je</span></strong><span lang=ES style='font-size:8.0pt;color:black'> </span><span lang=ES style='font-size:13.5pt;color:blue'>(?)(LWR)</span><b><span lang=ES style='color:blue'>; masjé</span></b><i><span lang=ES style='color:blue'> adj/v.i. </span></i><span style='color:blue'>hot, warm (<i>weather</i>).</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:blue'>With the above, one could squeeze out a "Turtle Island," but, this possibility is not convincing to me. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:blue'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><strong><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:blue'>SO THEN, </span></strong><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:blue'>in appreciation to everyone's input, I have arrived full circle to my original conjecture that the name that most likely fits the documented transcription is:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:blue'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><strong><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:blue'>KéraMánge</span></strong><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:blue'> (Clearing Day All About~ Prevailing). In this case, the "mánge" (sitting) is used in the sense of a positional verb, saying that the clearing of the sky, was extensive over a wide area such might be view on the breathe of the open plains. Further, such a rendering would be consistant to similar clan names.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:blue'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:blue'>I suggest one possibilty for Grey in working with his narrative is to include with the composed name, the original transcription, such as, "<strong>KéraMánge</strong> (Clearing Day All About) [Carminga (Document Source citations)]. Unless, new evidence appears, or further information, this is the best that can be made of that name.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:blue'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:blue'>Hánhe Pi, Good Night, Buenas Noches!</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:blue'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:blue'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:Greer-J@MSSU.EDU" target="_blank" title="mailto:Greer-J@MSSU.EDU
CTRL + Click to follow link">Greer, Jill</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Saturday, July 19, 2014 6:22 PM</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu" target="_blank" title="mailto:SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu
CTRL + Click to follow link">SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Re: Carominga</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Justin and Sky - <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>You guys with your programming talents- impressive! <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Just one question for Jimm and Greg - if the original person who transcribed the name was French (or a mixed blood literate in French- as was common around St. Joseph), the first syllabie "Ca" could even be /Sa/ or /se/ rather than Key, n'est pas? I hate to muddy the waters, but all it takes is one person to miss the cedilla and we've switched the sound totally. These old names are so slippery, but fascinating! <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Best,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Jill<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Jul 18, 2014, at 8:17 PM, "Mcbride, Justin" <<a href="mailto:jtmcbri@OSTATEMAIL.OKSTATE.EDU" target="_blank" title="mailto:jtmcbri@OSTATEMAIL.OKSTATE.EDU
CTRL + Click to follow link">jtmcbri@OSTATEMAIL.OKSTATE.EDU</a>><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>When you showed me that program last year, Sky, I remember thinking, "Now, THIS is awesome!" As a guy who, for years, was asked questions like, "What's my Granddad's name mean?" on a weekly basis, only to be handed a string of indecipherable 'ah's, 'eh's, and hyphens with a few consonants mixed in for good measure, I would have relished the opportunity to see a list the possible permutations presented at once. Now, if you could just build in some phonotactic constraint logic and SQL interaction with some sort of lexical database to provide suggestions--you know, the easy stuff--you'd have the proverbial better mousetrap! :) Ah, it's fun to dream! <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>By the way, the name Kke Leze was the name of one of the last living male L1 Ks speakers. -jtm<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 7:34 PM, Sky Campbell <<a href="mailto:sky@legendreaders.com" target="_blank">sky@legendreaders.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Justin,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I thought of that too (and even thought of turtle LOL...ke for ketą) but nothing came to mind for the rest. We have a precedent for this which is a name listed as "Ke Greðe" (Prairie Turtle/Spotted Turtle). I seem to remember one or two more but can't think of them off the top of my head.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>And thanks for pointing out the "g" possibly being the "j" sound. That is usually one of the first things I consider but it totally slipped my mind. Man, I really, REALLY need to finish my "character/morpheme swap" program for situations like this.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Sky</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Siouan Linguistics [mailto:<a href="mailto:SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu" target="_blank">SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mcbride, Justin<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 18, 2014 5:46 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu" target="_blank">SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: Carominga</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Howdy, Jimm,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I wonder about the division of syllables into Caro and Monga. Is it possible that it could be Ca Romonga? I ask becasue, if it were a Kaw name, I'd think it might have something to do with kke, 'turtle,' which I'm pretty sure I've seen spelled as Ca in names before. I would also look at the r as representing either Ks y or l, and -ga part at the end (if it's not been switched, as Sky suggests, which I think is probable) as possibly representing like the Ks syllable j^e, which seems to happen fairly frequently in the names I've looked at. In short, I would expect something like kke yaNmaNj^e, which doesn't ring any bells at all in Ks. Now, I don't know much at all about IOM, lexically or phonologically--maybe this makes even less sense in IOM--but thought I just might throw that out there as food for thought. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>All the best,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>-Justin<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Sky Campbell <<a href="mailto:sky@legendreaders.com" target="_blank">sky@legendreaders.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The "caro" portion has me thinking of a few possibilities:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>kera (as you pointed out)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>giro (happy)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The "monga" has me thinking of:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>mange (lying down)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>mange (chest)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>womanke (easy) <-- perhaps unlikely</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>mąnka (medicine) <-- seems the most unlikely but I thought I'd throw it in there</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Last is a "theory" that I have that perhaps somehow, some way, "monga" might be a form of "manyi/manye". Considering how many examples of "ng" and "ny" being swapped out (sunge/sunye, -inge/-inye, etc.), I wonder if perhaps it might be a version of "manyi". Especially since that word is used in so many names already and your friend noted that it appears in other names as well. This is just speculation, of course. Speaking of which, if they could provide examples of other names that use "monga", it might help us figure it out.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Sky</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Siouan Linguistics [mailto:<a href="mailto:SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu" target="_blank">SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jimm G. GoodTracks<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 18, 2014 9:25 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu" target="_blank">SIOUAN@listserv.unl.edu</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Fw: Carominga</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:blue'>Does anyone have some thoughts to decipher the name: "Caromonga." The last part appears to be "mange" (be in sitting position). The first could be "kera" (cleared sky).</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:caxelolson@gmail.com" target="_blank" title="caxelolson@gmail.com">Greg Olson</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Friday, July 11, 2014 4:48 PM</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:jgoodtracks@gmail.com" target="_blank" title="mailto:jgoodtracks@gmail.com
CTRL + Click to follow link">Jimm GoodTracks</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:whitesmoke'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Carominga</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Jimm, while proofing my manuscript, I came across an Ioway name I had overlooked. Caromonga. He is mentioned insome council meetings during the 1840s. I notice the end of the name- monga -appears in other names too. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Greg<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>-- Manage your subscription at <a href="http://listserv.unl.edu/" target="_blank">http://listserv.unl.edu</a>. <a href="http://listserv.unl.edu/" target="_blank">listserv.unl.edu</a> lists do not accept incoming email from <a href="http://Yahoo.com" target="_blank">Yahoo.com</a>, <a href="http://AOL.com" target="_blank">AOL.com</a> or <a href="http://Dropbox.com" target="_blank">Dropbox.com</a> due to thier DMARC policies. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>-- Manage your subscription at <a href="http://listserv.unl.edu/" target="_blank">http://listserv.unl.edu</a>. <a href="http://listserv.unl.edu/" target="_blank">listserv.unl.edu</a> lists do not accept incoming email from <a href="http://Yahoo.com" target="_blank">Yahoo.com</a>, <a href="http://AOL.com" target="_blank">AOL.com</a> or <a href="http://Dropbox.com" target="_blank">Dropbox.com</a> due to thier DMARC policies.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>-- Manage your subscription at <a href="http://listserv.unl.edu/" target="_blank">http://listserv.unl.edu</a>. <a href="http://listserv.unl.edu/" target="_blank">listserv.unl.edu</a> lists do not accept incoming email from <a href="http://Yahoo.com" target="_blank">Yahoo.com</a>, <a href="http://AOL.com" target="_blank">AOL.com</a> or <a href="http://Dropbox.com" target="_blank">Dropbox.com</a> due to thier DMARC policies. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>-- Manage your subscription at <a href="http://listserv.unl.edu/" target="_blank">http://listserv.unl.edu</a>. <a href="http://listserv.unl.edu/" target="_blank">listserv.unl.edu</a> lists do not accept incoming email from <a href="http://Yahoo.com" target="_blank">Yahoo.com</a>, <a href="http://AOL.com" target="_blank">AOL.com</a> or <a href="http://Dropbox.com" target="_blank" title="http://dropbox.com/
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