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>>From a layman to Kathy and Dan,<br>
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You can not have alphabet as a specialist term. It is a layman's term
when discussing written language. An alphabet is a ordered list of
symbols used for writing. Alphabetical is sorting according to an
alphabet.<br>
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Dan Parvaz wrote:
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<div>If we want to be sticklers for perception, then we perceive
voicing, acoustic "shapes" which at least partially correlate to
articulatory positioning, fundamental frequency, turbulence, etc. <br>
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Articulatory features or perceptual ones... it doesn't matter.
Alphabets don't analyze at that level, and SW does. Not the same.<br>
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Wow. I'm not even sure how to answer that. I consider that a sophist
answer and move on.<br>
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Kathy H. wrote:
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style="font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Verdana;"><span
style=""></span>An alphabet denotes consonants and vowels.<span
style=""> </span></span><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Verdana;">An
abjad only denotes consonants. </span><br>
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Your definitions are based on <font color="#000000"
face="Times New Roman" size="3">Daniels, Peter T. and William Bright.
1996. <u>The World's Writing Systems</u>. Oxford: Oxford University
Press.</font><font color="#000000"><font size="3"><font
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><font size="3"><font
color="#000000"><font face="Times New Roman"><b style="">alphabet:<span
style=""> </span></b>A type of writing system that denotes
consonants and vowels<br>
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<font size="3"><font color="#000000"><font face="Times New Roman">First,
this definition ignores order, which is essential to an alphabet. (See
"alpha beta" and "ABCs").<br>
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color="#000000"><font face="Times New Roman">Second, this definition
is unclear, vague, and biased against deaf. </font></font></font> <font
size="3"><font color="#000000"><font face="Times New Roman">Vowels and
consonants are not types of symbols, but functions a symbol can play.
The letter "Y" and "W" can be either consonants or vowels. The
definition should talk of symbols and order, not functions and
inconsistent classifications. <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Third, <font size="3"><font
color="#000000"><font face="Times New Roman"> </font></font></font>this
definition for alphabet is really an incomplete kid's definition for
"ABC's".<br>
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An abjad is a specialist term. As in "the Greeks copied an abjad when
they created their alphabet. That's fine, but alphabet is not a
specialist term! An abjad is still an alphabet and so are the
SignWriting symbols.</font></font></font><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;">Regards,<br>
-Steve<br>
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