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Hmmm,<br><br>I know a man who stutters a great deal when speaking, but does not stutter when reading out load. In fact he reads very well, well enough to do radio!<br>This may be fairly common in stutterers and may help explain some of the cases where one stutters in an audio situation and not in a visual.<br><br>I might guess that the stutter is still there, and the visual information curbs it. So visualizing signs (or spoken words) masks the stutter and proper movement occurs.<br><br>Next time I see this man I think I`ll ask him if he can visualize a few phrases before he says them..<br><br>Victor Tilley<br><br><br><br><br><br>> From: mieke.vanherreweghe@ugent.be<br>> To: slling-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<br>> Subject: Fw: [SLLING-L] stuttering in signed languages<br>> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 10:38:49 +0100<br>> <br>> Hi all,<br>> <br>> For your information, from a colleague of mine.<br>> <br>> Best wishes,<br>> <br>> Mieke Van Herreweghe<br>> <br>> ----- Original Message ----- <br>> From: "John Van Borsel" <john.vanborsel@UGent.be><br>> To: <Mieke.VanHerreweghe@UGent.be><br>> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 11:37 AM<br>> Subject: Re: [SLLING-L] stuttering in signed languages<br>> <br>> <br>> > Please find in attachment some information that may help.<br>> > Best regards,<br>> > John Van Borsel<br>> ><br>> > ----- Doorgestuurd bericht van dcogill@une.edu.au -----<br>> > Datum: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 22:34:32 +1000 (EST)<br>> > Van: dcogill@une.edu.au<br>> > Antwoorden aan:A list for linguists interested in signed languages<br>> > <slling-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu><br>> > Onderwerp: [SLLING-L] stuttering in signed languages<br>> > Aan: slling-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<br>> ><br>> > Hi there,<br>> ><br>> > thanks so much to Donald, Debbie, Ingvild, Sarah, Theresa and also Jenny<br>> > Webster, from whom I've just received permission to add her post to the<br>> > general pool - as follows -<br>> ><br>> >> Hi Dorothea:<br>> >> In the first BSL course I took several years ago, there was a hearing<br>> > woman who stuttered in her speech, and was excited to learn BSL because<br>> > she thought it would give her a way to communicate without stuttering.<br>> > Unfortunately, she did stutter (or what the British call 'stammer') in<br>> > BSL<br>> >> as well. She dropped out of the course after about a year. Her hands<br>> > would shake when she signed, and she would have a lot of false starts -<br>> > really similar to vocal stuttering.<br>> >> Best wishes<br>> >> Jenny Webster<br>> >> Research associate / PhD student<br>> >> University of Central Lancashire<br>> >> Preston, UK<br>> ><br>> > So here are already six examples of stuttering-like patterns in signing,<br>> > or at the very least accompanying speech+signing. Donald Grushkin and<br>> > Sarah both describe signers who had blinking and twitching during the<br>> > stuttering too, so typical of many speech stutterers. Plus there's a<br>> > thesis that adds more (though unfortunately due to the data-gathering<br>> > method there were no individual cases that I can add to the pool here,<br>> > just a conclusion that 'stuttering happens for signers too'). It's<br>> > certainly enough to make one reluctant to keep happily repeating the<br>> > statement that "stuttering is a speech problem, not a language problem" -<br>> > though I don't know what one WOULD positively say instead.<br>> ><br>> > Just thinking about possible scenarios, in an effort to figure out what<br>> > one would expect to see from a given underlying cause, and how different<br>> > scenarios would fit the posted examples - just having a little speculate,<br>> > in other words...<br>> ><br>> > certainly for most of us on slling-list, the most interesting scenario<br>> > would be, stuttering is something that affects LANGUAGE, before it gets<br>> > associated with any particular motor system. The only case in our<br>> > mini-pool (wading pool? :-)) of shared potential cases here that wouldn't<br>> > fit that would be Theresa Smith's possible Californian man; someone<br>> > doesn't stutter in ASL even though he stutters in English. And we could<br>> > say, hypothetically, "well, for him, a late learner and hearing person,<br>> > perhaps his ASL is not full and grammatical and fluent enough to be really<br>> > mentally coded by him as language - whereas conversely, in Jenny Webster's<br>> > stuttering English speaker learning BSL, we could hypothesise that she's<br>> > thinking in English still, and this is jamming her signed production, just<br>> > as stuttering jams speech-accompanying gesture too, according to David<br>> > McNeill (the gesture chap at Chicago U)." But Donald Grishkind's Gallaudet<br>> > student who stuttered while simultaneously signing and speaking would fit<br>> > OK, and so would Ingvild Roald's chap who even 'stuttered' when typing on<br>> > the computer.<br>> ><br>> > At the other extreme, there's a very boring possible alternative<br>> > scenario(well, boring for most of us, I would suppose). I'm ashamed to say<br>> > this only occurred to me after I posted my initial enquiry; what if, yes,<br>> > people stutter in signed languages, but they actually 'stutter' in all<br>> > sorts of movement patterns? Then it's not a language thing, not a speech<br>> > thing, not a sign thing, but a general 'jamming up' of motor movements<br>> > that happens to some people - perhaps, just in some class of their rapid,<br>> > highly -rehearsed, complex motor movements, the class of movement that's<br>> > affected varying from person to person? Deborah Chen Pilcher, in that<br>> > thesis you referred me to, Geoff Whitebread mentions in passing a case of<br>> > someone who had stutter-like symptoms on playing the flute! Very rapid,<br>> > highly-complex movement....<br>> ><br>> > If this is the case - if one can have a knitting-stutter, or a<br>> > crochet-stutter, or a piano-stutter (and the only reason we don't usually<br>> > is because people with the problem don't continue with trying to knit!) -<br>> > then you'd think that people researching stuttering would know of the<br>> > phenomenon. I will try to find out, and if I get an intelligible reply<br>> > from a stutter-researcher, I will report back. Meanwhile, though, fingers<br>> > crossed it's not true. The first scenario is so much more interesting.<br>> ><br>> > Dorothea.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> > SLLING-L mailing list<br>> > SLLING-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<br>> > http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/slling-l<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > ----- Einde doorgestuurd bericht -----<br>> ><br>> <br>> <br>> Prof. dr. 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