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<DIV>dcogill wrote:<BR><BR>I agree with Adam regarding the verb status of ASL WANT, or Auslan BUY,<BR>but also think Ulrike raises the really interesting point about this<BR>phenomenon of 'pragmatic agreement' as Engeberg-Pedersen (1993) calls it —<BR>that is, this single strategy, placement in overall space, is used to<BR>indicate that there are relationships among a collocation of signs of<BR>pretty much any class.<BR></DIV>
<DIV>YES I THINK THERE IS SOMETHING TO IT, AND IN FACT, THE QUESTION MAY BE PUT THE OTHER WAY ROUND: NOT WHETHER WANT AND BUY ETC ARE VERBS, BUT WHY A LOT OF OTHER SIGNS THAT BEHAVE SIMILARLY ARE NOT ALSO CONSIDERED VERBS.</DIV>
<DIV><BR>I have a memory of noting that there are East African languages that have<BR>concord systems that work across word classes. That could be at least<BR>perhaps a bit like this....does anyone know more here?</DIV>
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<DIV>MAYBE YOU ARE THINKING OF THE SWAHILI-TYPE CLASS MARKERS THAT ARE FAMOUS FOR GOING ON MANY DIFFERENT CONSTITUENTS, SO YOU OFTEN HAVE SEVERAL IDENTICAL ONES IN THE SAME SENTENCE. (?)</DIV>
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<DIV>Cognitively, I'd suggest that it could quite as likely be a<BR>form of ... hmm. And now, as a linguist trained in analysing communication<BR>using speech-based models, of course I lack a term, a concept, here. A<BR>form of 'bundling'? Of physically locating symbolic tokens together in a<BR>way that's not drawing on our grammatical systems to encode and decode the<BR>concept 'association', but instead using a genuinely spatial process -<BR>spatial not just at the level of surface form, but at the COGNITIVE level.<BR>Doesn't Scott Liddell suggest something like this in his paper on 'four<BR>forms of agreement'? Can anyone help out here?<BR></DIV>
<DIV>I HAVE A PAPER BY WALDEMAR SCHWAGER WHERE AGREEMENT IS TREATED AS GENUINELY SPATIAL, NOT AS MARKING PERSON/ SEMANTIC ROLES / GRAMMATICAL RELATIONS. IT IS NOT PUBLISHED THOUGH AND IS IN GERMAN...</DIV>
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<DIV>IF WE DO NOT INVOKE GRAMMAR THOUGH, HOW DO WE ACCOUNT FOR THE LANGUAGE-SPECIFIC PATTERNS AND PARTICULARITIES WE FIND? </DIV>
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<DIV>Prof. Ulrike Zeshan<BR>Director, International Centre for Sign Languages and Deaf Studies<BR>Faculty of Arts, Humanities and Social Sciences<BR>Livesey House, LH212<BR>University of Central Lancashire<BR>Preston PR12HE, UK<BR><A href="mailto:uzeshan@uclan.ac.uk">uzeshan@uclan.ac.uk</A><BR>Ph. +44-1772-893104<BR></DIV></BODY></HTML>