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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Trevor,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I understand what you’re thinking, but it’s not really an accurate thinking. In the online academic world, there’s a big difference between having a discussion through email and on a discussion forum. I don’t feel like there’s a discussion when using an email listserv while I feel there is one when I’m using a threaded discussion forum. Not to say that some folks would start giving answers unrelated to the thread topic, the discussion forum makes it a little tough for someone to just hit reply and make an off the topic comment while that can happen more often on a listserv email.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Brent<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> linguists interested in signed languages [mailto:SLLING-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Trevor Jenkins<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 22, 2011 5:16 PM<br><b>To:</b> SLLING-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: Facebook<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Funny I thought we had actual discussions here in an academic setting.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>Regards, Trevor.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><>< Re: deemed!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Sent from my iPad<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On 19 Sep 2011, at 19:21, "Welsch, Brent" <<a href="mailto:bwelsch@IWCC.EDU">bwelsch@IWCC.EDU</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Not to brag, but LinkedIn doesn’t limit your discussions to 140 characters. They have actual discussion forums just like we would use on any learning management system in the academic setting.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> linguists interested in signed languages [mailto:SLLING-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Trevor Jenkins<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 19, 2011 11:50 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:SLLING-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SLLING-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: Facebook</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On 19 Sep 2011, at 17:28, Welsch, Brent wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Rather than us each all proposing our favourite social networking site -- there are many that have not been mentioned yet --- have we asked and answered the one important question "why?" and its subsidiary of "what for?"<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Is there a need for a Facebook/LinkedIn/Bebo/+1/Tumblr/MySpace/etcetcetc group? What would it be used for? Will its existence bring anything to our discussions as sign language linguists? Can one have a meaningful academic discussions in 140 characters or less?<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Has anyone considered doing a group on LinkedIn? It is more professional than Facebook. I’m on LinkedIn and they set up groups like a discussion forum, with rules of professionalism, etc.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Brent Welsch</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-width:initial;border-color:initial'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>linguists interested in signed languages [<a href="mailto:SLLING-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">mailto:SLLING-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>]<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Mark Mandel<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Monday, September 19, 2011 11:18 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:SLLING-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SLLING-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: Facebook</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>I agree with Trevor. And in addition to the "push vs. pull" argument, I find Facebook very distracting. It is hard to get out of once I get into it. There are also many privacy concerns, which can be addressed by changing a multitude of settings... and then paying attention to the warnings as new holes are found and new settings added or changed to address them. Facebook is fine for<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><i>social<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></i>networking for those who like it. Personally, I go to parties and clubs to relax, not to do my work; and Facebook is like a party in a loud club with flashing lights and dozens of conversations challenging my focus.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>Mark Mandel</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>On 11.09.16, at 5:16 AM, Trevor Jenkins wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'><br><br><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>Personally, I don't do Facebook (or any of the bandwagon social networks). For me it isn't "easier", email is sent to me without me having to do anything, Facebook (and the others) require me to actively go to their website. It's push versus pull, in technical jargon. So it isn't easier because these things demand that I make a conscious decision rather than simply relying upon an automated system sending me messages.<br><br>Regards, Trevor.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote></div></body></html>