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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Dear </span>dr. Myriam Vermeerbergen<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I am intensely interested in simultaneous signs in the structure of sign languages.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Please send me a copy of your article </span><span lang=NL>Vermeerbergen, M. & Demey, E. 2007</span><span lang=NL style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Together, if convenient, with references to studies of simultaneous signs that may have appeared since your book.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Cordially,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Allen Gardner<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> linguists interested in signed languages [mailto:SLLING-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Myriam Vermeerbergen<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 23, 2012 9:50 PM<br><b>To:</b> SLLING-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: Perception study -- ASL vs. Gestures<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Dear colleagues,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I agree with Adam's last point.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Some years ago, my colleague Eline Demey and myself published a paper on the comparison of simultaneous constructions in signed languages to instances of speech + co-speech gesture. The paper also includes an introduction to gesture and different types of gesture. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The reference is:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=textbody><span lang=NL>Vermeerbergen, M. & Demey, E. 2007. Sign + Gesture = Speech + Gesture? Comparing Aspects of Simultaneity in Flemish Sign Language to Instances of Concurrent Speech and Gesture. In: </span>Vermeerbergen, M, Leeson, L., Crasborn, O. (Eds.), Simultaneity in Signed Languages: Form and Function. <span lang=NL>Amsterdam: John Benjamins, p. 257-282.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Feel free to contact me if you would like me to provide you with a copy.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Best wishes,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Myriam<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>dr. Myriam Vermeerbergen<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>LESSIUS/ K.ULeuven<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Subfaculty of Language and Communication<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Sint Andriesstraat 2<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>2000 ANTWERPEN<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>BELGIUM<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="mailto:myriam.vermeerbergen@lessius.eu">myriam.vermeerbergen@lessius.eu</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 24 Apr 2012, at 01:14, Adam Schembri wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Many gesture researchers use the term 'emblem' to refer to gestures that<br>are like lexical items in spoken and signed languages: conventionalised<br>gestures that have culturally-specified forms and meanings (the 'ok',<br>'thumbs up' etc). As others on the SLLING list have already mentioned,<br>some of these are widely recognised in different parts of the world, but<br>many identical forms have quite different meanings in different cultures<br>(the 'thumbs up' is used in some European countries to also represent the<br>number one, for example, whereas in Australia I think most non-signers<br>would use the extended index finger). Extending index and middle finger<br>with palm towards the body and moving the hand configuration upwards in<br>Australia and Britain was traditionally an obscene gesture, although I<br>seem to see this less often these days in Australia as the extended middle<br>finger gesture ('flipping the bird') has become more widely used.<br><br>I can't emphasise enough how important it is that sign language<br>researchers acquaint themselves with the gesture literature. I have<br>sometimes seen claims by sign language linguists about how sign languages<br>differ from gesture that really don't sit well with what gesture<br>researchers have shown.<br><br>Adam<br><br>-- <br>Assoc. Prof. Adam Schembri, PhD<br>Director | National Institute for Deaf Studies and Sign Language<br>La Trobe University | Melbourne (Bundoora) | Victoria | 3086 | Australia<br>Tel : +61 3 9479 2887 | Mob: +61 432 840 744<br>|http://www.adamschembri.net/webpage/Welcome.html<br><br><br><br><br><br><br>On 24/04/12 0:43 , "Mark A. Mandel" <<a href="mailto:mamandel@LDC.UPENN.EDU">mamandel@LDC.UPENN.EDU</a>> wrote:<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Adam,<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>What do you mean by "emblems"? Things like "come here", "stop", "hi", "be<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>quiet"? Group membership or other (semi-)secret signs in the non-SL sense<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>of "(secret) sign", such as gang or lodge recognition signals?<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>Best,<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>Mark Mandel<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>On 12.04.20, at 8:52 PM, Adam Schembri wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>Don,<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>What do you mean by 'gestures'? Co-speech gesture? Emblems? Mime?<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>Adam Schembri<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>On 21/04/12 1:48 , "Grushkin, Donald A" <<a href="mailto:grushkind@CSUS.EDU">grushkind@CSUS.EDU</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>Has there ever been a study investigating whether nonsigners with no<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>exposure to ASL or other signed languages can detect the difference<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>between gestures and natural signed languages such as ASL? I seem to<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>think I did come across something like that once, but cannot rememmber<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>where or who, if it's not a figment of my imagination.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>--Don Grushkin<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>________________________________________<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>