<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>You are absolutely correct here. As writing systems, the scripts are clearly documented, and the corpus for SW is the largest in the world for multiple languages. </span></div><div> </div><div>Charles Butler<br>chazzer3332000@yahoo.com<br>240-764-5748<br>Clear writing moves business forward.<br></div> <div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; "> <div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> SLLING-L automatic digest system <LISTSERV@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> SLLING-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, June 17,
2012 12:00 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> SLLING-L Digest - 15 Jun 2012 to 16 Jun 2012 (#2012-59)<br> </font> </div> <br>
There are 2 messages totalling 147 lines in this issue.<br><br>Topics of the day:<br><br> 1. SW to HamNoSys (2)<br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 09:37:14 +0200<br>From: Gerard Meijssen <<a ymailto="mailto:gerard.meijssen@GMAIL.COM" href="mailto:gerard.meijssen@GMAIL.COM">gerard.meijssen@GMAIL.COM</a>><br>Subject: Re: SW to HamNoSys<br><br>--14dae93998259c722704c2920167<br>Content-Type: text/plain;<br> charset=utf-8<br>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit<br><br>Hoi,<br>For a computer person they are not languages either, they are scripts and<br>they would be marked according to the relevant standard as an addition to<br>the language. For SignWriting this is possible as this script has been<br>recognised in the ISO-15924. It would be ase-Sgnw for American Sign<br>Language written in SignWriting.<br>Thanks,<br> Gerard<br><br><br>On 15
June 2012 23:29, Adam Frost <<a ymailto="mailto:adam@frostvillage.com" href="mailto:adam@frostvillage.com">adam@frostvillage.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>> I believe that Charles was using computer talk when he said the two<br>> languages, but you are right that it is better to refer to SignWriting and<br>> HamNoSys as writing systems. :-)<br>><br>> Adam<br>><br>><br>> On Jun 15, 2012, at 12:37 PM, "Mark A. Mandel" <<a ymailto="mailto:mamandel@LDC.UPENN.EDU" href="mailto:mamandel@LDC.UPENN.EDU">mamandel@LDC.UPENN.EDU</a>><br>> wrote:<br>><br>> That's good information. Just a terminological point: these are writing<br>> systems, not languages.<br>><br>> --<br>> Mark A. Mandel<br>> Linguistic Data Consortium<br>> University of Pennsylvania<br>><br>><br>><br>> On 12.06.15, at 12:54 PM, Cherie Wren wrote:<br>><br>> Your best bet would be to check with Rachel Channon as she has
been<br>> working on a multi-conversion program between SignWriting, HamNoSys and a<br>> third system which she presented at TISLR in Indiana. She has the largest<br>> corpus available in both languages, to the best of my knowledge.<br>><br>> HamNoSys does not have as many parameters as SW so there may be some<br>> things missing.<br>><br>> Charles Butler<br>><br>><br>><br><br>--14dae93998259c722704c2920167<br>Content-Type: text/html;<br> charset=utf-8<br>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable<br><br>Hoi,<div>For a computer person they are not languages either, they are scri=<br>pts and they would be marked according to the relevant standard as an addit=<br>ion to the language. For SignWriting this is possible as this script has be=<br>en recognised in the ISO-15924. It would be ase-Sgnw for American Sign Lang=<br>uage written in
SignWriting.</div><br><br><div>Thanks,</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Gerard</div><div><br></div><div>=<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 15 June 2012 23:29, Adam Frost <span dir=<br>=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:adam@frostvillage.com" href="mailto:adam@frostvillage.com">adam@frostvillage.com</a>" target=3D"_blank">ada=<br><a ymailto="mailto:m@frostvillage.com" href="mailto:m@frostvillage.com">m@frostvillage.com</a></a>></span> wrote:<br><br><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=<br>x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><div>I believe that=<br> Charles was using computer talk when he said the two languages, but you ar=<br>e right that it is better to refer to SignWriting and HamNoSys as writing s=<br>ystems. :-)</div><br><br><span
class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><div><br></div></font></span=<br>><div><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888">Adam</font></span><div=<br>><div class=3D"h5"><br><br>On Jun 15, 2012, at 12:37 PM, "Mark A. Mand=<br>el" <<a href=3D"mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:mamandel@LDC.UPENN.EDU" href="mailto:mamandel@LDC.UPENN.EDU">mamandel@LDC.UPENN.EDU</a>" target=3D"_blank">ma=<br><a ymailto="mailto:mandel@LDC.UPENN.EDU" href="mailto:mandel@LDC.UPENN.EDU">mandel@LDC.UPENN.EDU</a></a>> wrote:<br><br><br><br></div></div></div><div><div class=3D"h5"><div></div><blockquote type=3D=<br>"cite"><div><div>That's good information. Just a terminological point: =<br>these are writing systems, not
languages.</div><div><br></div><div><br><span style=3D"text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-variant:normal;te=<br>xt-align:-webkit-auto;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;line-height:norm=<br>al;border-collapse:separate;text-transform:none;font-size:medium;white-spac=<br>e:normal;font-family:Helvetica;word-spacing:0px"><span style=3D"text-indent=<br>:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-variant:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;font=<br>-style:normal;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal;border-collapse:separat=<br>e;text-transform:none;font-size:medium;white-space:normal;font-family:Helve=<br>tica;word-spacing:0px"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><br><br><span style=3D"line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;border-collapse:separate;=<br>letter-spacing:normal;font-variant:normal;text-transform:none;white-space:n=<br>ormal;word-spacing:0px"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><span
style=3D"=<br>line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;border-collapse:separate;letter-spacing:=<br>normal;font-variant:normal;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spac=<br>ing:0px"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><br><br>--<br>Mark A. Mandel<br>Linguistic Data Consortium<br>University of Pennsyl=<br>vania<br><br><br></div></span></div></span></div></span></span><br></div><br><br><br><div><div>On 12.06.15, at 12:54 PM, Cherie Wren wrote:</div><br><blockq=<br>uote type=3D"cite"><div><div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:arial,helv=<br>etica,sans-serif"><span>Your<br> best bet would be to check with Rachel Channon as she has been working=20<br>on a multi-conversion program between SignWriting, HamNoSys and a third=20<br>system which she presented at TISLR in Indiana. =C2=A0She has the
largest=<br>=20<br>corpus available in both languages, to the best of my knowledge.=C2=A0</spa=<br>n><div><span><br></span></div><div>HamNoSys does not have as many parameter=<br>s as SW so there may be some things missing.=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0</div>Ch=<br>arles Butler</div><br><br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockqu=<br>ote></div><br></div><br><br>--14dae93998259c722704c2920167--<br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 09:12:59 -0400<br>From: Dan Parvaz <<a ymailto="mailto:dparvaz@GMAIL.COM" href="mailto:dparvaz@GMAIL.COM">dparvaz@GMAIL.COM</a>><br>Subject: Re: SW to HamNoSys<br><br>Conversion of handshapes SW->HNS strikes me as relatively simple. The <br>difficult problem, or so it seems to me, is
converting the relative position of the <br>SignWriting glyphs to the HamNoSys explicit notation of location, orientation, <br>and movement. <br><br>Has HamNoSys developed anything like SignWriting's rich inventory of non-<br>manual symbols?<br><br>-Dan.<br><br>------------------------------<br><br>End of SLLING-L Digest - 15 Jun 2012 to 16 Jun 2012 (#2012-59)<br>**************************************************************<br><br><br><br> </div> </div> </div></body></html>