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    <font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">The Minnesota dialect of
      ASL has a slightly different way of forming the P handshape (ring
      and little fingers extended next to the middle finger, not
      spread), which not only shows up in fingerspelling but also in
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    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">--Albert

Albert Bickford
SIL International
  Linguistic Services Coordinator, Global Sign Languages Team
  Director, SIL-UND

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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2015/12/04 3:14 PM, Adam Schembri
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          <div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;">Hi everyone,</div>
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          <div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"><a
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href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3345846/Sign-language-accent"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3345846/Sign-language-accent">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3345846/Sign-language-accent</a></a></div>
          <div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;">-Linguists-discover-variation-signing-seen-Philadephia.html</div>
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          <div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;">Just a head’s up
            about this: no surprises here, but the media reports</div>
          <div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;">about this are
            inaccurate. </div>
          <div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"><br>
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          <div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;">My understanding
            is that the researchers in Philadelphia are undertaking</div>
          <div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;">a study to see if
            there is evidence in their corpus of a distinctive</div>
          <div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;">Philadelphia
            ‘accent’ in American Sign Language (ASL) - they’ve not yet</div>
          <div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;">found one, but
            there are anecdotal reports of one. The evidence for the</div>
          <div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;">existence of
            regional ‘accents’ for sign languages such as ASL, Auslan
            and British</div>
          <div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;">Sign Language is
            unclear. While there are clearly documented differences</div>
          <div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;">across the US and
            Australia in how particular signs are produced, I’ve not yet
            seen any</div>
          <div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;">evidence yet that
            native signers can tell WHERE someone is from in the US,
            Australia</div>
          <div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;">or the UK based on
            the way they produce specific phonological features of</div>
          <div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;">signs alone. We’ve
            plenty of evidence of regional dialect differences</div>
          <div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;">based on lexical
            differences, but not accent as such. On the other hand, it
            is</div>
          <div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;">clear that second
            language learners produce ASL and BSL signs with an</div>
          <div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;">‘accent’, and
            there is also work on Black and White ASL which shows some</div>
          <div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;">interesting
            sociophonetic differences between these varieties.</div>
          <div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"><br>
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          <div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;">The most accurate
            report I’ve seen thus far is here:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.upenn.edu/pennnews/news/penn-linguists-document-philadelphia-accent-american-sign-language">http://www.upenn.edu/pennnews/news/penn-linguists-document-philadelphia-accent-american-sign-language</a></div>
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          <div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;">Adam</div>
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            <div>-- </div>
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            <div style="font-family: Consolas;"><font size="2"><span
                  style="font-family: Calibri;">Assoc. Prof. Adam
                  Schembri, PhD </span><span style="font-family:
                  Calibri, sans-serif;"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="https://latrobe.academia.edu/AdamSchembri">https://latrobe.academia.edu/AdamSchembri</a></span></font></div>
            <div style="font-family: Consolas;"><font size="2"><span
                  style="font-family: Calibri;">Department of Languages
                  & Linguistics
                </span></font><span style="font-family: Calibri;
                font-size: small;"> | </span><font size="2"><span
                  style="font-family: Calibri;">La Trobe University |
                  Melbourne (Bundoora) | Victoria |  3086 |  Australia |</span><span
                  style="font-family: Calibri;">Tel : +61 3 9479 2887 |
                  Twitter: @AdamCSchembri</span></font></div>
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          <span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>linguists
          interested in signed languages <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:SLLING-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SLLING-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>>
          on behalf of Barbara Gerner De Garcia <<a
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          <span style="font-weight:bold">Reply-To: </span>linguists
          interested in signed languages <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:SLLING-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SLLING-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>><br>
          <span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Thursday, 3
          December 2015 at 01:45<br>
          <span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>"<a
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            href="mailto:SLLING-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:SLLING-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SLLING-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a></a>"
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          <span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: Numerical
          Incorporation for Age signs in ASL<br>
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              <div dir="ltr">Indeed!<br>
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                <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 9:25 AM,
                  Boris Fridman Mintz <span dir="ltr">
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                    Illuminating response. Isn´t it?<br>
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                        > On Dec 2, 2015, at 2:17 AM, Elton, Frances
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                          href="mailto:f.elton@UCL.AC.UK">f.elton@UCL.AC.UK</a>>
                        wrote:<br>
                        ><br>
                        > Please don't take in research by hearing
                        people, only take in by Deaf people.<br>
                        > Thanks<br>
                        > Frances<br>
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                        > Frances Elton MA, DCAL, UCL<br>
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                        >> On 2 Dec 2015, at 08:27, Sarah Hafer
                        <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:sarah.hafer@GMAIL.COM">sarah.hafer@GMAIL.COM</a>>
                        wrote:<br>
                        >><br>
                        >> Hello,<br>
                        >><br>
                        >> I understand that some publishings say
                        the age signs in ASL where the numbers are<br>
                        >> blended with the OLD sign for ASL are
                        part of the numerical incorporation category.
                        For<br>
                        >> some reason, it just does not feel
                        right to me that these should be classified as
                        numberical<br>
                        >> incorporation. I want to say it is
                        because of some kind of phonological process
                        such as<br>
                        >> phonological reduction. Then i saw one
                        website says these AGE signs in ASL are rather<br>
                        >> 'assimilation,' and that felt quite
                        more right to me.<br>
                        >><br>
                        >> I am wondering what are your take on
                        this? Any scientific publishing on how the AGE
                        signs<br>
                        >> in ASL are perhaps not numerical
                        incorporation but rather something else?<br>
                        >><br>
                        >> Sarah<br>
                        >><br>
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                -- <br>
                <div class="gmail_signature">Dr. Barbara Gerner de
                  Garcia, Professor <br>
                  Department of Education<br>
                  Gallaudet University<br>
                  800 Florida Ave NE<br>
                  Washington, DC 20002-3695<br>
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                  Phone: 202-651-5207</div>
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