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<font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">The Minnesota dialect of
ASL has a slightly different way of forming the P handshape (ring
and little fingers extended next to the middle finger, not
spread), which not only shows up in fingerspelling but also in
initialized signs that use P. </font><br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">--Albert
Albert Bickford
SIL International
Linguistic Services Coordinator, Global Sign Languages Team
Director, SIL-UND
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2015/12/04 3:14 PM, Adam Schembri
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<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;">Just a head’s up
about this: no surprises here, but the media reports</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;">about this are
inaccurate. </div>
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<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;">My understanding
is that the researchers in Philadelphia are undertaking</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;">a study to see if
there is evidence in their corpus of a distinctive</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;">Philadelphia
‘accent’ in American Sign Language (ASL) - they’ve not yet</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;">found one, but
there are anecdotal reports of one. The evidence for the</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;">existence of
regional ‘accents’ for sign languages such as ASL, Auslan
and British</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;">Sign Language is
unclear. While there are clearly documented differences</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;">across the US and
Australia in how particular signs are produced, I’ve not yet
seen any</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;">evidence yet that
native signers can tell WHERE someone is from in the US,
Australia</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;">or the UK based on
the way they produce specific phonological features of</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;">signs alone. We’ve
plenty of evidence of regional dialect differences</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;">based on lexical
differences, but not accent as such. On the other hand, it
is</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;">clear that second
language learners produce ASL and BSL signs with an</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;">‘accent’, and
there is also work on Black and White ASL which shows some</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;">interesting
sociophonetic differences between these varieties.</div>
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<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;">The most accurate
report I’ve seen thus far is here:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.upenn.edu/pennnews/news/penn-linguists-document-philadelphia-accent-american-sign-language">http://www.upenn.edu/pennnews/news/penn-linguists-document-philadelphia-accent-american-sign-language</a></div>
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<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;">Adam</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>linguists
interested in signed languages <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:SLLING-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SLLING-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>>
on behalf of Barbara Gerner De Garcia <<a
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Reply-To: </span>linguists
interested in signed languages <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:SLLING-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SLLING-L@LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Thursday, 3
December 2015 at 01:45<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>"<a
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: Numerical
Incorporation for Age signs in ASL<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 9:25 AM,
Boris Fridman Mintz <span dir="ltr">
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Illuminating response. Isn´t it?<br>
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> On Dec 2, 2015, at 2:17 AM, Elton, Frances
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> Please don't take in research by hearing
people, only take in by Deaf people.<br>
> Thanks<br>
> Frances<br>
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> Frances Elton MA, DCAL, UCL<br>
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>> On 2 Dec 2015, at 08:27, Sarah Hafer
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>> Hello,<br>
>><br>
>> I understand that some publishings say
the age signs in ASL where the numbers are<br>
>> blended with the OLD sign for ASL are
part of the numerical incorporation category.
For<br>
>> some reason, it just does not feel
right to me that these should be classified as
numberical<br>
>> incorporation. I want to say it is
because of some kind of phonological process
such as<br>
>> phonological reduction. Then i saw one
website says these AGE signs in ASL are rather<br>
>> 'assimilation,' and that felt quite
more right to me.<br>
>><br>
>> I am wondering what are your take on
this? Any scientific publishing on how the AGE
signs<br>
>> in ASL are perhaps not numerical
incorporation but rather something else?<br>
>><br>
>> Sarah<br>
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Department of Education<br>
Gallaudet University<br>
800 Florida Ave NE<br>
Washington, DC 20002-3695<br>
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