Hello to all...I'm new to this list...
skoreapv83 at FUSE.NET
skoreapv83 at FUSE.NET
Fri Jul 22 16:01:04 UTC 2005
Val & others,
Many thanks for the acknowledgements.
My visual & tactile systems work very well together, so while I was learning sign visually, every sign went into my tactile memory simultaneously. I tried reading tactile signs for the first time on Wednesday, February 26, 2003 @ 7:12PM & was STUNNED by the increase in clarity. Also, tactile signing is NOT that different from visual signing; only a few signs must be adjusted so they're easier to feel. Usually it's the palm orientation parameter that is changed, but absolutely ANY parameter of a sign may be modified to make it easier to feel. Unfortunately, no, I do NOT have a video clip. Wished I had made one when I was with the Deaf-Blind 2 years ago so you could watch how we signed into each other's hands AND so everyone else I know could see for themselves why I feel so LOVED by my Deaf-Blind friends.
Yes, I do believe SignWriting will help, because signing gives me a sense of security, & writing or speaking words takes it right back away.
Yes, a tactile mobile device IS different from a regular one. One example is a Braille notetaker, because one does NOT look @ it or listen to it; he/she touches it & feels it. I think a mobile device with a haptic screen would be able to display embossed SignWriting, but I'm NOT sure. (FYI: many people are unfamiliar w/the word haptic; it means tactile but has the extended meaning of describing a person who has a strong predilection for his/her sense of touch.)
I did NOT believe SignWriting was that easy to program & was NOT expecting immediate freedom from words by brand new tactile technology employing SignWriting.
As for the translation issue, I just mentioned that because here in Cincinnati the ignorance problem is only growing. I would love to see it happen someday that signers & non-signers can communicate through an assistive device until your SignWriting takes over & at least America, if NOT the whole world, does away with spoken language. More & more people are deeming spoken language unreliable for communication because the words have several unrelated meanings & competing sounds are getting louder & louder everywhere.
I definitely plan on staying up-to-date on the research regarding SignWriting. Maybe I could submit some helpful information to researchers to speed up the process of making the technology I'm imagining.
In the mean time, I'll continue looking for an organization who'd be willing to buy Braille notetaker for me. Otherwise, I'll have to be out of communications because my eyes get tired so fast & I have more trouble speaking & understanding speech than writing words.
Adam Paul Valerius
From: "Valerie Sutton"<sutton at signwriting.org>
Sent: 7/21/05 3:01:12 AM
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Cc: "skoreapv83 at fuse.net"<skoreapv83 at fuse.net>
Subject: Re: [sw-l] Hello to all...I'm new to this list...
July 20, 2005
Many thanks for this great message below...I am sorry I did not get
to answering sooner...I have been very nervous over setting up the
videophone to Brussels, Belgium...let us cross our fingers it will
work in an hour...We have worked 6 months in planning the SignWriting
Symposium taking place in Brussels in the next two days, so it is
very exciting to think of all the people gathering there together
> My name is Adam Paul Valerius, & I'm from Cincinnati, Ohio, United
Happy to meet you, Adam!
> I have mostly normal hearing & vision, but I communicate most
> comfortably when using tactile signing like the Deaf-Blind use.
This is so interesting! How did you learn tactile signing? I have
very little knowledge of tactile signing...I am sorry about that. But
I have watched some interpreting with Deaf Blind, and from a pure
movement point of view, the movement of touching the hands would be
written quite differently in SignWriting, than regular signing
would...do you have a video clip of tactile signing we could look at,
to see how the movements could be written?
> I've been fluent in Signed English for 8 1/2 years & fluent in ASL
> for 4 years.
> Please DON'T mention family because I don't one due to having been
> abused & neglected as a child & for the first 4 years of adulthood
> (almost; I'm NOT yet 22).
I am sorry to hear about this...but I admire your strength! And you
are still young...a good life ahead of you...smile...Maybe
SignWriting will help, who knows!? If nothing more, it is a creative
project and it helps me when I am not well...to have something to
> I learned sign in the first place because I have extreme difficulty
> expressing myself verbally (using words). I speak w/the same type
> of speech impediment as the Deaf & Deaf-Blind who are able to
> speak. Also, knowing sign helps ME equally as much as other
> signers. My visual & tactile systems work well together, so I know
> sign both visually & tactilely. If I lose my visual memory, I'll
> still remember sign language because it's still in my tactile
> memory, which I can't lose without getting some kind of seriously
> debilitating disease or dying.
Wow...Isn't Sign Language wonderful? Beautiful languages...that is
why I love to write them!
> I joined this list cuz I really like the idea of SignWriting.
> SignWriting on a tactile mobile device would really help me.
Is a tactile mobile device different than other mobile devices? I am
new to all mobile devices! ;-)
> I'll NEVER write English again once that technology is available.
SignWriting is not easy to program and I cannot imagine it being an
immediate possibility...Would you be interested in learning how to
add signs to our ASL dictionary on the web with software that is
already developed? I would be glad to teach you how...Go to:
or you can download other software for SignWriting...go to...
> I understand some people may feel uncomfortable with it, but the
> courts in the United States insist on writing everything down to
> keep records of everything said, done, & ordered. If SignWriting
> became widely used in the United States, & mobile devices could
> translate between SW & English, no interpreters would be necessary.
> Also, no signers would have to learn English, either, which would
> enable physically Deaf & physically Deaf-Blind signers to remain
> independent when telecommunicating WITHOUT knowing how to write
> English words in a syntax that resembles their signing.
There are so many aspects to what you say above...It takes a long and
complex answer...SignWriting itself is like an alphabet...the symbols
can be used to write the movements of any signed language. But
developing translating programs between two languages is a different
issue, and a different kind of software...for example, just because
we have a way to read and write French and English, does not mean
that translation software is so good that we never have to learn the
other language...translation software does not understand the grammar
of signed languages well enough to eliminate the other language yet...
Having said that, have you tried the translation software for
SignWriting, using English glosses?
Or send us an email written in SignWriting!
> I saw what some others said about "mainstream non-signers taking
> over ASL". I DON'T believe the mainstream non-signers would take
> over ASL. It's already a worldwide language with thousands of
> dialects anyway, so how could they do more than just make their own
> written dialect, just like they already have their own signed dialect?
I am so busy that I didn't even see that comment about
mainstreaming...but I agree with you that there is nothing to worry
about...languages change continually anyway...English is constantly
changing too, so if ASL is influenced by this or that, that does not
make it a bad language...it makes it a normal language! meanwhile we
can write it, no matter what the dialect, and that is all that
matters to me -
> Deaf people already know the difference between the way they sign
> ASL & the way a hearing person signs it. That difference in dialect
> is all I could think of that hearing people would do to it.
Sure. You are absolutely correct!
> Whatever y'all do, please DON'T express any anger towards me. In
> Cincinnati, I seem to be the only person out of 740,000 people who
> is smart, gentle, & emotionally stable. EVERYONE else seems to LOVE
> aggression, irritability, & ignorance.
Grin! I would never be angry at anyone...so that will not happen. Our
SignWriting List is about learning SignWriting. I can tell you are
very very smart and I look forward to writing some ASL with you!
> I probably am developing sensorineural Deaf-Blindness cuz I had
> surgery 4 years ago to correct a brain malformation I was born
> with. I just haven't been to the neurologist yet. I've been
> misdiagnosed with several mental illnesses & developmental
> disabilties for my whole life due to emotional extremes resulting
> from others' refusal to meet my communication needs.
I am sorry to hear this, Adam, but it is great you have joined the
List and I think we all are communicating just fine together! So now,
what sign in ASL would you like to write? I can show you how to add
it to the online ASL dictionary...smile...
> Adam Paul Valerius
We have two Adams who know ASL on the List now...Adam Frost and Adam
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