seeking fluent-ASL SignWriter

Kimberley A. Shaw kshaw at WELLESLEY.EDU
Sat Jul 23 19:04:16 UTC 2005


Hello Stefan:
uhh ... I don't even know what a sgn file is, and gifs just don't work on
my 'puter!
I hope that jpeg or Adobe reader will work.
We'll find out in 2 weeks; now I really am off!
Best,
Kim from Boston

sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu on Saturday, July 23, 2005 at 6:49 AM -0500
wrote:
>Hi Kim - 
>
>just go ahead and offer the first page as kind of new experience
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>What software did you use - can you offe a *.sgn file - or gif document -
>(not too big in kb would be best) 
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>  - the result will be a feedback from several perspectives and all of us
>will and can larn from that - 
>think small - think steps - think positive - smile 
>
>Stefan ;-) 
>
>-----Urspr√ľngliche Nachricht-----
>Von: owner-sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
>[mailto:owner-sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu] Im Auftrag von Kimberley A.
>Shaw
>Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. Juli 2005 14:02
>An: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu; sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
>Betreff: Re: [sw-l] ASL novel; seeking fluent-ASL SignWriter
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>Hi Val and everybody on SW list:
>no, I am not asking for an ASL teacher ... just an ASL-fluent SignWriter
>willing to proofread a text & tell me if it makes sense, or has any
>glaring errors! Just like a proofreader for an English text.
>So, aren't there any fluent-ASL SignWriters on list willing to do this?
>Best,
>Kim from Boston
>
>Kimberley A. Shaw writes:
>>sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu on Tuesday, July 19, 2005 at 10:35 PM -0500
>>wrote:
>>SignWriting List
>>July 19, 2005
>>
>>Hello Kim!
>>Your enthusiasm is really wonderful! As you know, this new service:
>>
>>SignWriting Transcription Services
>>http://www.SignWriting.org/catalog/member/mem002.html
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>>...is not related to ASL. It is for ANY sign language video. It  
>>therefore requires no language expertise, only Movement Writing  
>>expertise. I personally do not know enough ASL or any sign language,  
>>to be able to offer the service you suggest below. And since at this  
>>time, we have no income, it would not be possible for me to hire a  
>>Deaf native signer to read and teach you ASL.
>>
>>Video transcription is another service, in other words...
>>
>>I hope you enjoy your writing in ASL...most people do not capture the  
>>grammar correctly...so that is great that you are developing that  
>>skill...
>>
>>Val ;-)
>>
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>>On Jul 19, 2005, at 6:36 PM, Kimberley A. Shaw wrote:
>>
>>Hello Val:
>>the transcription service looks like a great resource! I hope to be
>>getting together with a Gally emerita soon, and if my pencil isn't fast
>>enough to capture her storytelling, I may take advantage of it!
>>Here is another suggestion, however. As an ASL student, I find writing
>>directly in ASL to be very good practice "immersing", and it helps me
>>retain the stuff I've learned in class. One of the things in the
>>anthology, actually, is a book review that I've written directly in SW
>>with *no* English along the way! However, I *did* read it to my Deaf
>>ASL-fluent teacher first to make sure everything was as it should be.  
>>And
>>so, here is the suggestion:
>>how about offering a proofreading service for those of us whose ASL is
>>not-yet fluent, but are working on it? Say, I could write a story or  
>>essay
>>or poem, send it to a member of the DAC, have them write up and down the
>>margins with their red pen (or whatever) and then send it to me ... I
>>would pay for something like this!
>>Best,
>>Kim from Boston
>>
>>sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu on Tuesday, July 19, 2005 at 12:18 PM  
>>-0500
>>wrote:
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>>> SignWriting List
>>> July 19, 2005
>>>
>>> Hello Kim and Everyone!
>>> To write a novel in any signed language, the most accurate way would
>>> be to hire a native signer in that language, in this case ASL. The
>>> storyteller would sign the story from the beginning to the end. This
>>> will make it a truly ASL experience. Then the video can be
>>> transcribed into SignWriting...
>>>
>>> We do have some written ASL documents that were not taken from
>>> video...written directly in the movements of ASL with no video
>>> backup...but those were by native signers. Most people are not that
>>> skilled in SignWriting yet. The video gives us the good grammar of
>>> ASL so we get a good document that way.
>>>
>>> I have now started a Video-Transcription Service for ANY signed
>>> language. Your group provides the video, preferably in Quicktime or
>>> other computer formats, and I, or someone working with me, can do the
>>> transcription into SignWriting for you...
>>>
>>> SignWriting Transcription Services
>>> http://www.SignWriting.org/catalog/member/mem002.html
>>>
>>> Val ;-)
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 19, 2005, at 3:02 AM, Kimberley A. Shaw wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Val:
>>> OK, have written to them now!
>>> Now, I have one more query to *all* you ASL signwriters out there:
>>> Since my anthology has the articles from signwriting.org about the
>>> NAD and
>>> the DNP protest at Gallaudet, I think there should be an article
>>> about the
>>> new town of Laurent, as well, maybe title it "Islay comes to real
>>> life" or
>>> something like!
>>> So, who would like to write it??
>>> Payment will be in copies of the book only, which is up to 9  
>>> stories now
>>> (including a poem by Michele Bornert, just added).
>>> Best,
>>> Kim
>>>
>>>
>>> sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu on Tuesday, July 19, 2005 at 12:21 AM
>>> -0500
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> SignWriting List
>>>> July 18, 2005
>>>>
>>>> Yes, the first complete novel written in Spanish Sign Language in
>>>> SignWriting, by Steve and Dianne Parkhurst, is certainly historic!! A
>>>> beautiful book! And I believe it is the first complete novel written
>>>> in ANY sign language, in history.
>>>>
>>>> I have around 8 copies and I could sell one to you, but first, please
>>>> write to Steve and Dianne Parkhurst to ask them if they wish to sell
>>>> it to you? I do not know how much they charge, or if you should pay
>>>> them directly? They are teaching linguistics at SIL this summer in
>>>> North Dakota. Their course is the one that includes writing Mexican
>>>> Sign Language in the Mexican SignPuddle (with Stuart Thiessen's
>>>> teaching and assistance)...
>>>>
>>>> So please write to:
>>>>
>>>> Steve and Dianne Parkhurst
>>>> steve-dianne_parkhurst at sil.org
>>>>
>>>> It is a mystery novel, with illustrations by Steve Parkhurst.
>>>>
>>>> Val ;-)
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 18, 2005, at 9:02 PM, Kimberley A. Shaw wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello all:
>>>> never mind the ASL anthology I'm working on; *this* is very, very
>>>> cool!
>>>> So, even if it is a couple years later now, and I don't know Spanish
>>>> sign
>>>> ... how can a person lay hands on a copy of this book?
>>>> And if I can get a fluent-in-ASL collaborator, how about putting
>>>> Wilkie
>>>> Collins' "Hide and Seek" (which involves a deaf heroine, as of the
>>>> 1850s!)
>>>> into ASL??
>>>> Allabest,
>>>> Kim from Boston
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From:  Valerie Sutton
>>>> Date:  Tue Mar 26, 2002  4:26 pm
>>>> Subject:  Re: SPAIN: Conference at Val's House ;-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> SignWriting List
>>>> March 26, 2002
>>>>
>>>> Dear SW List Members:
>>>> Here is a summary of the Parkhurst's work, which I have excerpted
>>>> from a newsletter they gave me, written in March, 2002:
>>>>
>>>> ---------
>>>>
>>>> SUMMARY (mostly in the Parkhurst's own words):
>>>> We have lived in Spain now for more than seven years. During the
>>>> first two years, we surveyed the sign language (SL) situation. We
>>>> found that there are two main sign languages in Spain that are unique
>>>> from any other SL in the world. Our main focus for the past five
>>>> years has been SignWriting. Our goal was first to see if the Deaf
>>>> Community was interested in reading and writing their langauge. Once
>>>> they expressed the interest, our next goal was to make the writing
>>>> system available to anyone in the Spanish Deaf Community who wanted
>>>> it. That meant developing a literacy program and sufficient
>>>> literature for them to read.
>>>>
>>>> We developed a literacy program with a 228-page manual, teacher
>>>> training materials, video and a few other projects. More than 300
>>>> people have learned SignWriting in Spain, and now we have turned over
>>>> most of the responsibility of distribution and publicity to a Deaf
>>>> organization. We hope that even more people will learn SignWriting on
>>>> their own.
>>>>
>>>> We also have a small base of literature consisting of 24 issues of a
>>>> semi-monthly magazine (written in SignWriting in Spanish Sign
>>>> Language), distributed in Spain to the magazine subscribers.
>>>>
>>>> We have written, illustrated and published the first mystery novel
>>>> ever written in SignWriting. It is a 142-page paperback-bound novel
>>>> written completely in Spanish Sign Language (with no spoken language
>>>> in the entire book). It is the retelling (in Spanish Sign Language)
>>>> of the mystery novel "The Moonstone" by Wilkie Collins, written in
>>>> 1868. Steve did his own illustrations.
>>>>
>>>> Altogether, we have produced more than 475 pages of reading materials
>>>> in SignWriting (not counting the lessons books). As far as we know,
>>>> that is the most published literature in written form in any sign
>>>> language in the world!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Linguistics
>>>> We have published two issues of a linguistic journal and our survey
>>>> report in Spanish. Steve has also published several other linguistic
>>>> articles here in Spain and in the US, as well as giving presentations
>>>> at a number of linguistic conferences. One of them was in Alicante
>>>> (on the southern coast of Spain). Steve presented a study about
>>>> syllable structure in Spanish Sign Language that he has been working
>>>> on (did you know that sign languages have syllables?)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From June to August, 2002, we will be a part of a team, teaching at
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> the University of North Dakota, in the Summer Institute of
>>>> Linguistics (SIL)'s first sign language linguistics course set. Since
>>>> these are new courses, we will be spending a good portion of April
>>>> and May preparing the materials for parts of the course. SignWriting
>>>> will be included as a part of one of the courses, on orthographies.
>>>> There are urgent translation needs among the Deaf communities around
>>>> the world. We hope that this SIL course will help train a few new
>>>> workers!
>>>>
>>>> -------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Val again:
>>>> Many thanks, Steve and Dianne, for the great summary!
>>>>
>>>> SW List members - You should see their mystery novel in SignWriting!
>>>> ....It is amazing and I will try to give you a picture of it soon -
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Val ;-)
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