AW: [sw-l] Request for Research Data

Sun Apr 16 09:54:00 UTC 2006

here is another way to write deaf ... 

a deaf woman performed it this way ... the movement indicates some of the
proud of saying : YES, I am Deaf !

Stefan ;-) 

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Von: owner-sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
[mailto:owner-sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu] Im Auftrag von Steve Slevinski
Gesendet: Sonntag, 16. April 2006 03:49
An: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
Betreff: Re: [sw-l] Request for Research Data

Hi Stuart,

I disagree that the ASL sign for "deaf" is simple to write.  There are
several varying standards to use when writing it and there are issues with
sorting.

Deaf in ASL

deaf by oralists.  Just kidding.  But it's amazing what facial expression
can do.

Facial touching is very important, especially when sorting.  Let's indicate
the first point of contact with a head location touch symbol.  We'll take
out the facial expression for a cleaner picture.

However, the location marker already denotes a touch, so let's remove the
first contact symbol.

And we could just use contact locations without the contact symbol.

Even more complicated in the SignSpelling Sequence for each?  Do we ever
need to identify the motion?

I think all of these spellings ideas are being used somewhere in the world.
I think Val can tell you who does what.

I do not think "deaf" is a simple sign to write (or sort)..  

For what it's worth,
-Steve

Stuart Thiessen wrote: 

Please note comments below ....

Stuart

On 4/15/06, Valerie Sutton  <mailto:sutton at signwriting.org>
<sutton at signwriting.org> wrote:

SignWriting List
April 15, 2006

Stuart Thiessen wrote:

I am doing some research related to SignWriting for my MA degree and I
am wondering if any of you would be willing to help me out with
gathering some data. Part of what I want to do is study the way that
we compose and decompose SW to represent specific signs.

5 signs: easy to write in SW.

Hello Stuart!
Great to hear from you again...Your Master's Degree thesis sounds
really interesting...

What is easy and what is hard, usually depends on a signwriter's
skill...there are different perspectives...is this from the student's
point of view? Or from a skilled signer's point of view?

I am looking for the user's point of view. Obviously, this will differ
from individual to individual based on their experience both with the
sign language itself and SW.

When you ask "easy to write?"

do you mean the physical issues of writing by hand versus computer?

or do you mean what is easy to read? (no physical writing involved)
just what is clear to read instantaneously?

or do you mean what is clean in the invention, with no exceptions, so
it is easy to write because the writer has easy and consistent rules
to follow?

Thank you for the question for clarification. I am not really looking
for "simple" signs. I am looking for signs which are easily written
because it is clear from the rules how to write it. For example, the
ASL sign DEAF is an easy sign because the rules are very clear on how
to write that particular sign. It is unlikely that we would differ ...
much ... in how we write that sign. Preferably the 5 example easy
signs should at least have some contact and/or movement involved in
the sign. The signs themselves may be very complex, but the way to
write it is clearly defined for the writer.

The other 20 example signs I am asking for involve more complexity in
how we would write it. It may be an issue of the rules being unclear
or an issue of the number of symbols or the placement of symbols in
order to transcribe that sign.  I am assuming that these particular
signs will likely come up only in actual usage rather than dictionary
forms. For example, AIRPLANE-FLYING as a classifier is probably a
pretty easy sign to write, but to write AIRPLANE-LANDING might be a
little less easy. Or AIRPLANE-FLYING-OVER-LAND is probably more
difficult than AIRPLANE-FLYING. (I haven't had a chance to see if
these are in the ASL SignPuddle or not, but if they are not, I will
add them on Monday so you can see what I mean.)

I realize some of this I could do through a check of the SignPuddles,
but I am also interested in seeing what the users consider to be
difficult signs. Perhaps I might not see it as difficult but someone
else might feel that way. I still would like to see that perspective.
That perspective is something I wouldn't get if I just went through
the dictionaries myself.

If you would rather just send me a page or so of SW text that you have
already written with some signs circled to let me know which ones were
challenging and which ones were not, that is fine also. The more data
I can get, the better for my research.

Thanks,

Stuart

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Stuart Thiessen
Des Moines, IA

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