Boat_3

[Adam Frost]

That is true. I do prefer the Heel a lot more.

And I have to agree, I have yet to really find a time when it is truly
nessasary to have this much detail, but it is nice to know about it. ;-)

Adam

On 12/1/06, Valerie Sutton <signwriting at mac.com> wrote:
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> SignWriting List
> December 1, 2006
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> Everyone -
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> First, the detail in this symbol is not necessary when writing
> SignWriting for everyday use. I am convinced of that. For research
> use, it is good to have the symbol, but I personally never use it
> when writing everyday...the shading is too hard for handwriting...and
> even when reading, you have to think about it a minute, and that is
> not good for everyday reading...
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> Second, there is another detailed symbol that I prefer, that has not
> been mentioned here...but again...I would not use it for everyday
> use. I never explained this second symbol well enough for people to
> understand it..I know if you understood it, you would like it better
> than the one we have been discussing, but I have to find a way to
> explain this second symbol better...
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> You know this second symbol, Adam...it is what I call the Heel of the
> Hand. Like looking at the Heel of the Foot....but the Heel of the
> Hand symbol is the view of the wrists...with the rest of the hand
> hiding behind the wrists...and then you place markers on the symbol
> that tell you what the actual handshape itself is...but you are only
> looking at the heel of the wrist, so you can see the half-angle of
> the hand...It really works if you understand the logic behind it -
> but again, it is not necessary either...we are writing well with what
> we are using now...
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> So I will write that second handshape next message..
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> Meanwhile Ron, you don't have to use these detailed symbols - they
> are for research and are not good for writing the Bible - they are
> too hard for the everyday reader.... Val ;-)
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> On Dec 1, 2006, at 6:57 AM, Adam Frost wrote:
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> > Well Rev,
> > I think you hit on why this palm point of view has not been used that
> > much. It is really complex. I used to wonder the same thing; why not
> > make the handshape thinner; why not make the handshape "angular" as
> > done in perpective drawing; or why not even make it so that the black
> > is "1/4" of the hand. But then I realized that because technology at
> > the time of the development of the symbols was very limited, and it
> > still is in the sense of what we need for SW. All of thoes questions
> > are good, but the problem is that the handshaps will look like other
> > handshape, ie the hindge hand. So considering that and trying to make
> > reading at most ease, the best thing would be to make the black area
> > 1/4. The thing to remember is that this isn't really needed much, and
> > nature of the complexitity of the angle with make the handshape
> > complex and therefore more advance. The concept is a little abstract,
> > but it is still simple to understand. I hope this helped.
> > Adam
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> > On 12/1/06, Ronald Dettloff <signpreach at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >> Okay, I looked at the pages but it seems to me that I am only
> >> seeing white,
> >> the back part of my hands are unseen. Here is a suggestion: In the
> >> sign for
> >> boat the part of the hand furthest from the eyes and touching the
> >> other hand
> >> could be shaded or their might me a way to move the "b" hand to
> >> appear
> >> "skinnier" than when it is fully flat?
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> >> Valerie Sutton <signwriting at MAC.COM> wrote: SignWriting List
> >> November 30, 2006
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> >> You know, those handshapes are rarely used...
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> >> But Stuart, you are correct that when there is more white in the
> >> symbol, you are seeing more of the palm of the hand, and when there
> >> is more black, you are seeing more of the back of the hand.
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> >> So in the sign for BOAT, you are seeing more of the palm. I have now
> >> added my version to the US SignPuddle:
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> >> Has this answered your question, Stuart?
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> >> Val ;-)
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> >> Rev. Ronald H. Dettloff, 20880 Ten Mile Road, St. Clair Shores, MI
> >> 48080
> >> Other Web links:
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