question on SSS
duncanjonathan at YAHOO.CA
Wed Apr 4 23:07:55 UTC 2007
Valerie Sutton wrote:
> SignWriting List
> April 2, 2007
> Hello Anny and Steve and Adam!
> Thanks for the question, Anny, and a special thanks to Steve, for
> programming this amazing new program that allows us to place our signs
> in sequence, so we can sort dictionaries by the symbols of SignWriting...
> And thanks, Adam, for explaining it so well...you did a good job
> explaining a very hard subject...
> We are fortunate, because although we already had this ability in
> SignBank, the process used to be very slow, but now with Steve's
> wonderful new feature in SignPuddle 1.5, we can place the signs in the
> proper SignSpelling Sequence much faster, and can then import the
> signs quickly into SignBank, to print large dictionaries sorted by
> The past month has been an amazing month, regarding the placing of
> signs in sequence...
> Because of SignPuddle 1.5, I finally placed around 1,844 signs into
> SignSpelling Sequence in SignPuddle 1.5. Right now, Anny, if you open
> the ASL Dictionary in SignPuddle 1.5 on the web, you will find those
> 1,844 signs there...all with the SignSpellings listed beside each
> sign. They are mixed up with other signs that have not been completed
> yet, which means it may seem hard to find them, but you can see when a
> sign has received its SignSpelling Sequence, because it will look
> something like this, with the SignSpelling Sequence in grey to the
> right of the sign:
> And you can learn how to place a sign into SignSpelling Sequence in
> this video instruction:
> See Video 16 & Video 20 on this page:
> When you click on the button SignSpelling Sequence, you will see a
> list of all the symbols that appear in the sign, but then you have to
> place them into sequence so that the dictionary will be able to sort
> them later, by sign-symbols...
> When dictionaries are sorted in spoken languages, like French or
> English...there are two sequences involved...
> 1. The words themselves have a Spelling Sequence...like in the English
> word HOUSE...the Spelling Sequence of the word HOUSE is H O U S E.
> 2. Once all the words have a Spelling Sequence established, then those
> spelled-words are placed in the order of the English or French
> alphabets...(called alphabetization)
> So there are actually two sequences involved when sorting any dictionary:
> 1. Spelling Sequence
> 2. Symbol Sequence (alphabetization in English)
> In SignWriting it is the same. We have a:
> 1. SignSpelling Sequence
> 2. Sign-Symbol-Sequence (equivalent to alphabetization in English but
> for sign-symbols)
> The Sign-Symbol-Sequence (SSS) is the IMWA. It is the sequence of the
> symbols in the IMWA. That is already established and you do not have
> to do anything about that...Steve has that programmed in SignPuddle
> 1.5, and Todd has it programmed in SignBank.
> But the order of the symbols within one sign is called a SignSpelling,
> and that has to be established by the writer of the sign right now.
> SignSpellings will slowly, in time, become standardized, but right now
> we are all deciding what SignSpelling is best, so we have this
> flexible tool to do our best with SignSpellings. Once we establish the
> SignSpelling for a sign, it will sort by SSS.
> There are still small issues I am resolving and I am now writing a new
> book called "SignSpelling Guidelines 2007" which will explain what I
> learned through this recent experience...
> But no matter what, the reason we can discuss this so fully now, is
> because of the faster entry of the SignSpellings...so thanks once
> again for this feature in the new SignPuddle 1.5!
> If you want to wait for me to post the new SignSpelling Guidelines
> 2007 book, that might be less overwhelming for you, but I can
> generally tell you that we have learned that the following sequence
> seems to feel right:
> 1. dominant hand
> 2. non-dominant hand
> 3. movement dominant hand
> 4. movement non-dominant hand
> 5. movement dynamics
> 6. movement timing
> 7. head movement
> 8. facial expressions (only if they are required for the meaning of
> the sign)
> 9. head location
> 10. body location
> There are many details involved with this than just the list above, so
> that is why a new book is needed to explain and show examples why...
Looking forward to all of the explanations and examples!!!
Keep up the good work!!
> That is coming!
> It is a new era now, because we all will be searching through large
> dictionaries to find signs out of thousands of signs, sorted by
> symbols, and that is a new experience to learn how to find those signs
> easily and logically...
> And I look forward to sharing this with you later...
> Val ;-)
> On Apr 2, 2007, at 3:07 PM, Steve Slevinski wrote:
>> Hi Anny,
>> The SignSpelling Sequence is for sorting signs in a dictionary.
>> There is a 2004 document that needs to be updated. The 2007 version
>> is under construction.
>> For SignPuddle 1.5, the results on the Search by Signs page are
>> sorted using the SignSpelling Sequence, if available.
>> The SignPuddle 1.5 export includes the SignSpelling Sequence data.
>> This data can be easily imported into SignBank. SignBank uses the
>> SignSpelling Sequence for printing dictionaries.
>> Anne-Claude Prélaz Girod wrote:
>>> Dear Val
>>> could you explain to me what SignSpelling Sequence should be used for ?
>>> I've never used it and don't know how I should use it and what for
>>> thanks for your help
>>> Anne-Claude Prélaz Girod
>>> ruelle des chambres chaudes 1
>>> 1271 Givrins
>>> Tel ++41/22.362.52.37
>>> Fax ++41/22.362.52.66
>>> mail: acpg at vtxnet.ch
Jonathan & Yolaine Duncan
8-) & ;-)
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