SignSpelling LIBRAS sign for MAMAE
chazzer3332000 at YAHOO.COM
Sat Apr 7 18:41:08 UTC 2007
I would tend to keep the shoulder line in for quick reading as a grasp anywhere could be on the stomach, not just the breast.
I am so pleased, generally, with SignPuddle 1.5. The only difficulty I have now as that I can't figure out how to clip a single sign and have it actually show up in an email. It did until this morning, now it doesn't.
Valerie Sutton <signwriting at MAC.COM> wrote: SignWriting List
April 7, 2007
Charles Butler wrote:
> 3) If so, what would be the SSS for the shoulder line. The
> location of cupping the breast for this sign (which is one LIBRAS
> sign for mother, the GESTUNO sign for MOTHER, and several others is
> not easily understood without a body location, one could be
> grasping anything. Any suggestions:
Hello Charles and Everyone!
I am in the process of writing the SignSpelling Guidelines 2007
booklet, to explain this in detail.
In the past, the 2004 booklet was based on only sorting 250 signs.
That was not enough for us to really study looking up signs quickly
with those SignSpelling guidelines.
But then recently, I sorted 1844 signs and found that the 2004
SignSpelling Guidelines were not correct, at least as far as I can
So based on this new experience, I am looking up by the handshape
first. That means that the first symbol that you need in the
SignSpelling column, is the handshape, not the shoulders. If you put
the shoulders first, that would mean you would look that sign up by
the shoulder line first...
Following this idea, your sign for MAMAE, would have this
SignSpelling Sequence (see attached). I added this as a second
version to your LIBRAS dictionary...go to MAMAE and then scroll down
to find my new addition.
The little manniken needs a hollow dot, not a dark dot. The dark dot
is the back of the person, the hollow dot is the front of the
person...also notice how I deleted the manniken from the actual
writing of the sign after I established the SignSpelling...the
manniken gives the location for lookups in the dictionary, without
changing the writing of the sign...
I am still not one hundred percent sure we need the shoulders in the
SignSpelling column at all...the Shoulder Line is used when writing
the sign, to show the location visually, but when sorting by
Location, it may be that the little manniken is enough information
for exact location sorting...these are the kinds of issues that we
need to test, but it needs to be tested on a lot of signs in a
dictionary, not just a small amount...to see how easy it is to find a
sign in the dictionary...
I know you did a lot of work on this yourself Charles, by hand...and
that was very impressive because you did it without computers...the
only difference here is we are trying to get computers to do the
sorting for us. We can try different sequences to see what end result
works for the majority of people...that could be a life-long research
project, that is for sure...
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