sw-l-digest V1 #2305

GerardM gerard.meijssen at GMAIL.COM
Sun Apr 29 13:29:14 UTC 2007

Thanks for your reply. I have taken the picture of American Sign Language
uploaded it and added it to the portal of American Sign Language on

I do agree that programs can be made to do anything, it just needs doing. I
would love to see UNICODE for SignWriting. In the mean time we can work on
getting programs like MediaWiki to accept SignWriting.. I think that would
be awesome.



On 4/29/07, Charles Butler <chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> One can write SW in a side to side fashion, but because it is movement, it
> is much more natural to read it up and down, and then left to right, much as
> Chinese newspapers.  Often two words have a hand moving from one sign into
> the next (just like elision in French or Portuguese) so having a top down is
> easier.  However, for bilingual translation, we have done texting in right
> to left in clusters, sort of like Korean, which is a script that creates
> blocks for each word which can be sounded out, but look to a non-Korean
> speaker, very similar to a Chinese character.  Any spoken language could be
> written down the page,
> L
> I
> K
> E
> T
> H
> I
> S
> Surely, typography cannot be limited solely on layout.  Computers are as
> versatile as we program them to be.
>     *
> *
> This is one of those rare sentences that can be put in one-to-one
> correspondence to English.  More often it is a multiple word translation.
> Charles
> *GerardM <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com>* wrote:
> Hoi,
> I do appreciate this. When you look at http://www.omegawiki.org/Portal:nldthe portal for the Dutch language, you will find Babel templates going from
> Native to a level 1 in Dutch. http://www.omegawiki.org/Portal:hye is for
> the Armenian language and, it is in the appropriate script.
> For sign languages I cannot at present include the Babel text in
> SignWriting because of technical problems. It is for this reason that I ask
> you to create a text in another language. You would write the Babel
> templates for "aen" or Armenian Sign Language in Armenian because that is
> most appropriate given that OmegaWiki (and MediaWiki) do not support
> SignWriting at this moment in time.
> Given that SignWriting is a top down written language, the question arises
> on how to include this in a Babel template that is currently very much
> horizontally oriented.
> Thanks,
>      GerardM
> On 4/29/07, Charles Butler <chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Gerard,
> >
> > The point of SignWriting is that English and ASL, Dutch and Netherlands
> > Sign Language are not the same language.  One cannot say that this sentence
> > is written in sign language.  The Roman alphabet writes spoken words, the
> > SignWriting International Movement Writing Alphabet writes signs, different
> > purposes.  How do we get the Wiki to support our script.
> >
> > As well say that if you want to write English, write it in French
> > because, after all, they are only 100 miles apart geographically.
> >
> > *GerardM < gerard.meijssen at gmail.com>* wrote:
> >
> > Hoi,
> > Om the OmegaWiki website, we have portals for all languages recognised
> > in the ISO-639-3. The information we provide for any languages is minimal.
> > What we are looking for is information that will be helpful for people who
> > for whatever reason are interested in a particular language.
> >
> > The portal for American Sign language is http://www.omegawiki.org/Portal:ase
> > , for British Sign Language http://www.omegawiki.org/Portal:bfi . We
> > also have a portal for SignWriter at
> > http://www.omegawiki.org/Portal:Sgnw
> >
> > When you create yourself a user at OmegaWiki, please create yourself a
> > Babel template. Sadly we do not support SignWriter yet as a script. You may
> > want to add a text for your sign language in another language that is the
> > most appropriate (ie a text in Dutch for the Dutch Sign Language).
> >
> > If you have any questions .. please ask :)
> >
> > Thanks,
> >     GerardM
> >
> >
> >
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