Shane's Glowing Intro
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Mon Jan 15 20:58:44 UTC 2007
In ASL, sometimes space can be mirrored and sometimes it is fixed. For
example, if I am referring to North, South, East, or West, the
direction must remain the same. I cannot simply mirror the entire sign.
The movement must go in the proper direction. Usually, this means if I
know where North, South, East, and West are, then I sign that directly.
If however, I don't know where North, South, East, or West are located,
then I sign it as if I have the map of the US in front of me (that's
how I was taught). Other directional signing will also be affected. If
I mean go forward and enter the room on your left, mirroring would put
the room on the right.
That's what I have at the moment. I will look for more examples later
if I can find them.
On Jan 14, 2007, at 18:16, Jonathan wrote:
> Charles Butler wrote:In teaching SW I have had lefties and righties
> in my classes, and part of the difficulty sometimes is that the
> lefties have gotten so used to mirroring, that trying to get them to
> write down their own hands instead of everyone else's is a challenge.
>> Now, in the long term, I suppose a button in sign text that could
>> take an entire sign, and reverse the image to left hand prime
>> production would be ideal, that is a challenge for a programmer to
>> work on, as it requires a full understanding of the whole production
>> of a sign and reversing everything directionally if it is a personal
>> sign and not one pointing at an object not present (like setting up
>> multiple people). Doing that will require a root understanding of
>> the grammar of an utterance, and that will be another hurdle to jump
> I am a computer programmer and am learning SignWritting. I was
> thinking about what you wrote about mirroring a sign. It seems to me
> that flipping each symbol within the SignText rectangle then moving it
> to the horizontal distance from the left side of the rectangle that
> equals the distance between the right most edge of the symbol and the
> right hand side of the square, any sign should be able to be
> mirrored. Of course then we would also have to pass the signs from
> the right-lane to the left-lane and vice versa. Your comment suggests
> that some signs might not mirror properly doing it this way. I was
> wondering if you could think of any concrete examples.
> To change from "receptive" to "expressive" I believe that it
> would require changing the fill for the hand after mirroring the sign.
> What do you think?
>> I learned SW when it was "receptive" 20 years ago, writing down the
>> other person's hands, like actually copying a videotape and writing
>> down with the right hand of the other person on the left, and the
>> left hand on the right. We did that for more than 5 years until the
>> Deaf said "expressive" sign is the better way to write as one can
>> always write one's own hands when no one else is there.
>> Changing in my own head from "mirror" to "expressive" has been just
>> as much of a challenge.
>> Charles Butler
>> Pauline Roberts <capyboppy at ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>> Thanks for the warm welcome Val.
>> I think I need to clarify though the difficulties I mean regarding
>> the left
>> handed issues. When I was learning the guitar, to move on from basic
>> chords I needed to find a chord book that had the chord boxes. I don't
>> know if people are familiar with these, bout they are a square box
>> grid, which represents the frets on the neck of the guitar, and also
>> six strings. You then have black or white dots representing where the
>> fingers go. This has always been a problem as a leftie just can't
>> look at
>> the box and instantly know where the fingers go. Especially if a
>> chord. We either have to keep going over each "dot" over and over
>> again in
>> our heads til it sinks in where it would be, or if it is thin paper,
>> through the reverse side to see. All this took time and was
>> frustrating and
>> confusing for the learning. I see a similar problem with Sign writing
>> that is already written down in the normal right handed format, as
>> again, I
>> should imagine everything will need to be turned in reverse during the
>> learning process. Like you say, writing it down by the leftie in a
>> handed format would be no problem. I do remember when learning new
>> vocabulary at level 1 BSL, I would write down brief descriptions at
>> side of any words I thought I would have a problem remembering. This
>> fine until some of the others saw what I was doing and asked if they
>> borrow/photo copy my notes. When they realised the descriptions were
>> handed it totally confused them and most of them decided to leave it,
>> as it
>> would be more work having to convert everything to the opposite:-( No
>> answer I suppose!
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