hanshape rotation by 45 ° needed

[Honza]

Hi Val and Charles for answer.

I understand that. You are right that it is not necesarry to have every
hanshape in in-between palm facing now.
To the attached symbol (in the first message) there is not important
direction to the right front corner, just the in-between palm facing of that
handshape - I need exactly palm hands with open thum like "boat" and as
"roof" as well.  We use not  just in this two hands, but nor this two basic
signs cannot be written with hanshape orientation provided.

OK tell me how to create hanshape in that orientation I need

thanks
Honza

OK tell me how to create hanshape I need :)

On Nov 29, 2007 5:08 PM, Valerie Sutton <signwriting at mac.com> wrote:

> SignWriting List
> November 29, 2007
>
> Hello Honza and Charles -
> Thank you for this discussion, and certainly Charles has a
> point...handwriting is so flexible! If I were writing a symbol by
> hand, you can show varying degrees of dark and light and that gives
> you the in-between palm facings automatically...
>
> And did you know that technically there are 10 palm facings when
> writing by hand? Not the 6 we have in computers...
>
> When Rich Gleaves and I created the SignWriter Computer Program,
> first for the Apple //e and //c, and later for DOS, we had memory
> constraints. The computers in those days did not have the same kind
> of memory available, and so I was forced to choose the 6 most used
> palm facings out of 10, and even after doing that, we still had 96
> flops and rotations for one "character" or "letter" in the
> SignWriting alphabet...so there are a lot of symbols anyway, and I do
> not want to add the 10 palm facings now ( called Fills )
>
> Imagine if we had all 10 palm facings...the amount of symbols would
> have been so much larger that it would have been impossible to type
> by computer...
>
> So I had to make choices...I had to decide what was more important
> and what could be eliminated? so I eliminated the in-between palm
> facings creating the 6 we have today...and 99 per cent of the time we
> are writing just fine without those in-between palm facings...
>
> Then years later, people asked me for the in-betweens of the flat
> hand, so I added them as "extra symbols" to the IMWA to help those
> who wanted them....but I feel those symbols could be improved...I
> write them differently by hand myself...
>
> Right now, you can create the in-between palm facings yourself in
> SignPuddle...
>
> Want to learn how everyone?
>
> Val ;-)
>
> -----------
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 29, 2007, at 5:07 AM, Charles Butler wrote:
>
> > In handwriting you can do almost any shading you want, the
> > programming to be adapted for all, or many of the other handshapes,
> > makes adding another 186 handshape orientations to the 6 x 96
> > already in existence makes it very difficult.
> >
> > Sometimes handwriting, rather than computer-driven, actually gets
> > you what you want when the current IMWA is not completely up to the
> > task.
> >
> > Charles Butler
> >
> >
> > Honza <honza at ruce.cz> wrote:
> > Hi Val and all,
> >
> > I have already written about this topic, but with no respond at all.
> > As you know we use SignWriting in new dictionary that is being made
> > at University here.
> > It is not always clear to write handshape in orientation "black",
> > "halfblack", "white".
> > It allows only rotations by 90°, but in other directions it is
> > possible to rotate handshapes by 45°.
> > So we need to rotate handshapes by 45°  in all directions .. is it
> > possible to make it somehow?
> > I found there are just one handshape that allows this. -  it is
> > turned 45° to default.
> >
> > So if we combine this two orientations (se attachments) of one
> > hanshape we get rotations by 45°.
> > Is it possible to do it at least in this way for more hanshapes?
> >
> > thanks
> > Honza
> >
> >
> >
> > ____________________________________________
> >
> > SW-L SignWriting List
> >
> > Post Message
> > SW-L at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
> >
> > List Archives and Help
> > http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/
> >
> > Change Email Settings
> > http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l
> >
> >
> >
> > ____________________________________________
> >
> > SW-L SignWriting List
> >
> > Post Message
> > SW-L at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
> >
> > List Archives and Help
> > http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/
> >
> > Change Email Settings
> > http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l
>
>
>
>
>
> ____________________________________________
>
> SW-L SignWriting List
>
> Post Message
> SW-L at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
>
> List Archives and Help
> http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/
>
> Change Email Settings
> http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l
>
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://listserv.linguistlist.org/pipermail/sw-l/attachments/20071129/b6d598fa/attachment.html>
-------------- next part --------------



____________________________________________

SW-L SignWriting List

Post Message
SW-L at majordomo.valenciacc.edu

List Archives and Help
http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist/

Change Email Settings
http://majordomo.valenciacc.edu/mailman/listinfo/sw-l