AW: [sw-l] Animated GIFs of ISWA Hands, Group 1, 2 and 3...

Stefan Wöhrmann stefanwoehrmann at GOOGLEMAIL.COM
Mon Dec 1 00:25:08 UTC 2008

Hi Valerie, Adam, ... friends


I had a look at the animated gifs 


ISWA Animated GIFs Hands




Yes this kind of presenting SW-symbols of handshapes and palmorientation is
a welcome support – especially for all people who start to understand SW ...


I myself would prefer kind of tables  with “stills” –   perhaps this is a
matter of age – smile ??? 



Just a question about    01-03-011-01  IndexMiddleThumb Cup


I cannot understand your interpretation of the palm facing the signer but
thumb, index and middlefinger on the left side  ... 


Just interested ... 


Stefan ;-) 




Von: sw-l-bounces at
[mailto:sw-l-bounces at] Im Auftrag von Valerie Sutton
Gesendet: Montag, 1. Dezember 2008 01:00
An: SignWriting List
Cc: Adam Frost
Betreff: [sw-l] Animated GIFs of ISWA Hands, Group 1, 2 and 3...


SignWriting List

November 30, 2008


Hello Everyone!


Adam Frost has created animated GIFs of the ISWA handshapes in Group 1,
Group 2 and Group 3...


Group 3 is around one-third completed...


Go to:


ISWA Animated GIFs Hands


And click on Groups 1, 2 and 3 to enjoy viewing Adam's animated handshapes
with palm facing changes...


And you can move from one handshape to the next, using the navigation arrows
on the top of each is fun to watch them in
handshape after the other!


These are very useful...I am planning to add signs that use these
handshapes, written in SignWriting, underneath the animated GIFs...some have
some signs already...


Val ;-)






On Nov 30, 2008, at 10:13 AM, Adam Frost wrote:

After some searching, I found the webpage with the GIF that I created. It
isn't preatty yet because there is still some working being done, but it is
here none the less.




On Nov 30, 2008, at 9:58 AM, Adam Frost wrote:

I love this question, and I will tell you why. It shows that you have a
handle on these handshapes, and you are thinking in real world sense.


As a Lexiconian in the truest sense (I'd love to make an ASL equivalent to
the Webster Dictionary, but that would be a life work. *wink*), I have made
the same observations that you have just made. I have also noticed that it
is rare for native users to realize that they have their hands the way that
you have just described. This is the reason that the ASL Puddle, which is a
collaborative dictionary, usually has the first set. The other reason is
that most people can read the first set easier than the latter. ;-) The
reason I mention this is if and when I were able to create and ASL
Webster-like dictionary, then there would be something about this in the
usage or pronunciation guide. 


I know that I am not teaching your class, so I don't know the students. But
if I were teaching a class that I felt could handle it, I would include both
in the lessons and tell them that the first set is more of a novice way of
signing as well as the visual image of how a native internally imagines
their signing but are actually doing it the second way. The reason is in
order to do the first set the elbow has to be in an awkward position or the
wrist has to be painfully bent, whereas the latter set does not.


So now that I have rambled, I will answer your questions. :-) If you want to
have those concepts in the ASL Puddle, you are more than welcome to add
them. In fact, I think it is better to have both of them so that people can
compare. As for your second question, I have been creating GIFs of all of
the current handshapes. Because of everyone being swamped with so many
projects, it is coming along very slowly. I have done these handshapes that
you have mentioned, but I don't know if they have been put up on the website
yet. I am not sure exactly why you are asking because you do understand it
just fine. I am also surprised that there isn't anything about the latter
set of handshapes on the website. I just find that odd. So I will check to
see if my GIFs are on the website or not. If not, maybe I can figure
something out.


Hope this helps, and I am glad that Val caught this in Digest because I
never saw it. As always feel free to ask questions. It is the way to learn.




On Nov 30, 2008, at 9:03 AM, Valerie Sutton wrote:

From: "Natasha Escalada-Westland" <shash90 at>

Date: November 30, 2008 7:33:52 AM PST

To: "SignWriting Listserve" <sw-l at>

Subject: [sw-l] Handshape question, "Stand" and "Look"

Reply-To: "SignWriting List" <sw-l at>

Greetings SW colleagues,
I am developing a lesson on teaching classifers and I am debating which
handshapes to use in my presentation.  The ASL signpuddle dictionary cites:


<symbol.php>   and   <symbol.php>   as the handshapes for "stand" and
"look-at" respectively.


As I look at myself signing these, and as I think of using them as
classifiers to describe types or ways of standing or looking-at, I see the
following actual handshapes used:



<symbol.php>  and  <symbol.php>


The "Lessons in SignWriting Web Gallery" explanation of Handshape group 2
doesn't include the above handsapes, although I do understand them to mean
index and middle fingers bent slightly at the proximal knuckle.


First question...  Do the signs in the ASL SignPuddle need to be updated as
written for these concepts?  To keep the fingers straight requires unnatural
lifting of the shoulder and elbow.


Second question... is there an updated lesson book or handshape list that
includes the second set of handshapes somwhere on the SignWriting website?


Thank you!

Natasha Escalada-Westland, M.Ed. (D/HH), Macromedia Cert. <> 




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