Handwriting
Stuart Thiessen
thiessenstuart at AOL.COM
Mon Dec 8 17:21:26 UTC 2008
I fully understand that. I'm just being a squeaky wheel. :) I do have
a desire to focus on this sometime, but I have some other deadlines I
have to focus on before I will have time to do that. Just like you. :)
Thanks,
Stuart
On Dec 8, 2008, at 11:14 , Valerie Sutton wrote:
> SignWriting List
> December 8, 2008
>
> Hello Stuart!
> You are absolutely right on all points!
>
> No one is arguing that...It is just a matter of time...
>
> And that is why it was good that we at least started this course
> long ago:
>
> http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/
>
> and the lessons there are a beginning...it goes for several web pages:
>
> Introduction
> http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/lesson101.html
>
> Handwriting Symbol Construction
> http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/lesson102.html
>
> Handwriting Symbol Chart
> http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/handwriting/symbols.html
>
> Handwriting Lesson 1 Assignment
> http://www.SignWriting.org/archive/docs5/sw0473-US-SWHandwriting-Lesson1.pdf
>
> That is as far as we got!
>
> Val ;-)
>
> ---------------
>
>
>
> On Dec 8, 2008, at 9:05 AM, Stuart Thiessen wrote:
>
>> Valerie, I understand your point about learning to handprint before
>> doing cursive, etc.
>>
>> But I still believe that one of the barriers to acceptance of
>> SignWriting by some people is the fact that it appears to be slow
>> to write by hand. I know that there is a long history of writing by
>> hand before the various programs that we have today. My point
>> simply is that the information that people have now is focused on
>> the computer program which is a very important element. But also
>> there is a very important element of having a handwritten form that
>> is simpler than the printed form and more easily written.
>>
>> When people can see both styles of writing (printed and written),
>> then that will open up new arguments for the usefulness of
>> SignWriting in everyday life.
>>
>> So, I know the ISWA has been your priority for now, and it is an
>> important priority. And more is still going on that. This is just
>> something that will need to be resolved at some point.
>>
>> One suggestion I have is that maybe at some point you introduce
>> handwritten forms for each of the ISWA symbols. So a person can
>> look up an ISWA symbol and see both the printed form and the
>> handwritten form. So as they practice on the computer or on a piece
>> of paper, they can learn to use and read the system both ways.
>>
>> Hebrew, for example, has the same alphabet, but the exact form of
>> the letter varies depending on which written form of Hebrew you use
>> (Cursive, Rashi, or the printed form). (See the chart at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_alphabet)
>> .
>>
>> Like you've said before, it may be that we will have different
>> "fonts" or writing styles for SignWriting, but I think it will
>> encourage people to also write by hand if there is a way to write
>> it simply. Then they start doing grocery lists and quick notes to
>> family and class notes and eventually it becomes a part of their
>> everyday handwriting strategies.
>>
>> I admit for myself that I rarely handwrite SignWriting because the
>> printed symbols just take longer to handwrite. When I do
>> SignWriting, it is usually only when I use SignPuddle. I would
>> prefer to handwrite more, but I find my motivation is lower when I
>> have to invent my own ways of writing the printed forms faster. So
>> when the time comes to show handwriting, I'm less likely to
>> convince them on that front.
>>
>> Just my thoughts.
>>
>> Stuart
>>
>> On Dec 8, 2008, at 10:35 , Valerie Sutton wrote:
>>
>>> SignWriting List
>>> December 8, 2008
>>>
>>> Hello Andre -
>>> In a SignWriting curriculum, for children, I would put learning SW
>>> Handwriting in the third year...
>>>
>>> Just as it explains on these web pages:
>>>
>>> http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/curs003.html
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>> http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/curs004.html
>>>
>>> In any written form, writing in a "faster cursive style" takes
>>> skill. Plus SignWriting does not have the documentation ready for
>>> teaching formal SW Handwriting...
>>>
>>> Therefore, when we were young children learning to write English
>>> characters, we did not start by learning English cursive-
>>> handwriting...we started with hand-printing each English character
>>> carefully, writing them in rows and rows until we became skilled...
>>>
>>> Then, after learning how to write in this perfect hand-printing
>>> style, after around the second grade...for me it was in the third
>>> grade...I started to learn to write real handwriting in school
>>> (for English)...so based on that experience, I suggest that SW
>>> handprinting should be taught the first two years of a SignWriting
>>> curriculum, and the SW handwriting starts around the third year in
>>> school...
>>>
>>> Stefan has some experience with this...His student, Eduard, who is
>>> writing in the picture on the front page of our web site, is a
>>> skilled SignWriting student, having been in Stefan's classroom for
>>> several years...so he started the handwriting later, after getting
>>> familiar with SW in general...
>>>
>>> So that is my advice...Your students and teachers are beginners or
>>> at least, in their first year of learning and using SW, so maybe
>>> the handwriting should wait until next year?
>>>
>>> But they could try some of these Handprinting techniques right now:
>>>
>>> http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/curs011.html
>>>
>>> Val ;-)
>>>
>>> ----------
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 8, 2008, at 8:05 AM, Gagnon et Thibeault wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Val, Anne-Claude and everyone,
>>>>
>>>> Anny, I don't ask that you translate a SW handwriting's web
>>>> pages. You translate only two words : handprinting and
>>>> handwriting.
>>>>
>>>> I mean that I need only a section "Quick dailly writing".
>>>> I am writing a LSQ curriculum for a SW writing. I understand
>>>> that you need to write new books. No problem. I am trying
>>>> better to describe a SW handwriting (quick daily writing).
>>>>
>>>> I believe that Deaf students write a SW handprinting because
>>>> teachers don't know about SW handwriting norms (Quick daily
>>>> writing).
>>>>
>>>> Hand waving
>>>>
>>>> André
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Valerie Sutton
>>>> To: SignWriting List
>>>> Cc: Gagnon et Thibeault
>>>> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 10:12 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [sw-l] Handwriting
>>>>
>>>> SignWriting List
>>>> December 8, 2008
>>>>
>>>> Hello Andre and Anny -
>>>> There is no document to translate...smile...but there are web
>>>> pages.
>>>>
>>>> If you follow all the links on this web page:
>>>>
>>>> SignWriting Handwriting
>>>> http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/
>>>>
>>>> There are six sections and each section has several web pages...I
>>>> do not know if Andre really needs a translation of those web
>>>> pages into French?
>>>>
>>>> I have nothing else to give you right now, Andre...More books on
>>>> Handwriting will have to wait for awhile, since I am so behind on
>>>> other books that need to be updated...
>>>>
>>>> Have you seen the front page of our web site? Stefan's Deaf
>>>> student Eduard is quite an artist with SW calligraphy, don't you
>>>> think?
>>>>
>>>> SignWriting HomePage
>>>> http://www.SignWriting.org
>>>>
>>>> Stefan will be sending us more photos of the finished art
>>>> later...i look forward to seeing them!
>>>>
>>>> And I believe that Kim from Boston has also done some SW
>>>> calligraphy...
>>>>
>>>> Kim's work
>>>> http://www.signwriting.org/usa/massachusetts/
>>>>
>>>> Val ;-)
>>>>
>>>> -----------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 8, 2008, at 6:55 AM, Anne-Claude Prélaz Girod wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> andré
>>>>>
>>>>> what kind of document do you need to get translated from english
>>>>> into french ?!?!?!
>>>>>
>>>>> let me know
>>>>>
>>>>> Anny
>>>>>
>>>>> Le 8 déc. 08 à 15:43, Gagnon et Thibeault a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Anne-Claude, Val and everyone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anny, I would like you to translate a handprinting and a
>>>>>> handwriting from English to French?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Val, I am writing a LSQ curriculum from grade 7th to 8th
>>>>>> including SW reading and SW writing now. But, I don't know
>>>>>> about handwriting norms. I would like you to explain me
>>>>>> handwriting norms in general. You remember that you gave a
>>>>>> handwriting course to some participants one year ago. I love
>>>>>> learning it. I don't mean that participants do their homework
>>>>>> but they read only instructions. Would you give us general
>>>>>> explanations or instructions of handwriting norms which help
>>>>>> me write and explain a LSQ curriculum including SW writing ?
>>>>>> You don't need an explanation of the handprinting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> André
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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