Handwriting: Val's Shorthand Suggestions

Tue Dec 23 12:44:31 UTC 2008

Hi Val and everyone,

    There are two different writings in a LSQ curriculum: a handprinting and 
a handwriting (not a shorthand).   The LSQ curriculum includes  a sign 
communication (comprehension, production, LSQ grammar, conversation, 
discours), a SW reading (pre-reading, while reading, reaction) and a SW 
writing (pre-writing, while writing revision and correction, planficiation, 
publication).  I think that Deaf children learn enough because they develop 
skilled sign language, skilled reading and skilled writing (organize, edit, 
intention) in the educational system.   I think that  Individual 
ssignwriters "personally" prefer their style of writing either handwriting 
or shorthand.

    For some reasons,  Deaf and  hearing communities are against a SW now, 
and  the educational school aren't recongnized a SW.  For example, only one 
school in US, only one school in Canada, perheps only one school in Gderman. 
Also, there aren't materials: teenager books, children (very few) books, 
exercise books, neespapers and so on.  A very few signwriters develop slowly 
materials.  Val, you are very luck that Cherie, KJ, Adam, RON, and others 
did write materials (children books, SW books and bible).   Who knows a 
signwritten LSQ, a signwritten BSL, a signwritten GSL?   For example, I did 
signwrite a LSQ signpuddle and there is one person who only knows a 
signwritten LSQ,.  One Deaf teacher who knows LSQ doesn't know a signwritten 
LSQ but knows a SW reading.  She told me that it isn't easy to teach a SW 
because she doesn't have materials.  It is a big challange.

    Have nice  holidays

    André
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Valerie Sutton" <signwriting at mac.com>
To: "SignWriting List" <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 10:31 PM
Subject: Re: [sw-l] Handwriting: Val's Shorthand Suggestions

Hi Andre - and everyone -

Well, maybe in time, with the right instruction materials, the
Shorthand will not have to be only for professional jobs but could be
changed or adjusted to be usable on a daily basis by children who are
at an advanced writing level...I think the idea of using it for
professional court stenography may be more unrealistic....I think it
may be better as a daily handwriting for advanced writers, and if you
have a curriculum for children learning at different levels, then the
more advanced children might enjoy the Shorthand...so I wouldn't
assume that kids can't learn it too...

Val ;-)

On Dec 22, 2008, at 6:58 PM, Gagnon et Thibeault wrote:

> Hi Sandy and everyone,
>
>   Sandy, thank you for sharing a SW shorthand with us.  This  shorthand is 
> good for College or University level for professional  works and some 
> people who are hobbies to write it.  I encourage you  to develop a SW 
> shorthand instruction with Val and Adam.  I am sure  that some people will 
> enjoy learning it by email.   It is nice that  there are two types of 
> writing by hand :  a handwriting instruction  for children and adults too 
> , and a shorthand instruction for  adults.and professional works.
>
>   I enjoy reading your elephant story.
>
>   Hand waving
>
>   André
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Fleming" <sandy at scotstext.org
> >
> To: "SignWriting List" <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 2:56 PM
> Subject: [sw-l] Handwriting: Val's Shorthand Suggestions
>
>
>> Hi Val!
>>
>>> Following that idea that the fingers are more important than the  base,
>>> then the flat hand with five fingers would just be five spokes for
>>> five fingers and the base shape would not be written...essentially,
>>> the Shorthand would become the cursive form of sw handwriting
>>> maybe...this was an idea proposed by Dr. Karen van Hoek, who used  the
>>> Shorthand as her SW Handwriting system and loved it...
>>
>> I've tried writing with these "shorthand" suggestions and I too, love
>> it! This seems to bring the feel of SignWriting much closer to the  feel
>> of writing rather than drawing to me. The signs are written more  simply
>> so that once I've written one a few times it becomes much easier to
>> write it again without having to think about how it's made.
>>
>> I've attached an attempt at writing a brief anecdote that runs in my
>> family. Since it's not "phonetic" as SignWriting usually is and  it's in
>> BSL, you may have some difficulty with it, so I'll go through it  here.
>>
>> The larger sign on the left says "elephant", which is my title for  the
>> story.
>>
>> Sign-for-sign, it then goes like this:
>>
>> aLongTimeAgo Scotland h-a-w-i-c-k | cousin me | andUncle me | street
>> justWalkingAlong || circus carnivalComingTowardsThem
>> bothWatchingItGoingBy finish || uncle askChild elephant didYouSee? ||
>> cousinLooksUpAtHim elephant what? ||
>>
>> Or in English:
>>
>> A long time ago in Hawick in Scotland my cousin and uncle were  walking
>> along the street when a circus carnival came by. They watched it  passing
>> and when it was gone my uncle asked my cousin, "Did you see the
>> elephant?" He said, "What elephant?"
>>
>> Some notes on the writing:
>>
>> elephant: the handshape here is a full "C" without the palm drawn. I
>> hope this is clear enough for someone who's used to it.
>>
>> h-a-w-i-c-k: When signing with someone at a bar I noticed how she was
>> holding her drink in one hand and doing two-handed fingerspelling  with
>> her free hand only. It occurred to me that you often see this and it
>> might be a good way of writing two-handed fingerspelling in a simpler
>> way that still makes sense to native BSLers. Combining this with  Val's
>> suggestion of not writing the palms, this is the result. I've  sometimes
>> written both hands when that emphasises the connection with the Latin
>> letter, as for "K" in this word.
>>
>> andUncle: the single head nod which sometimes means "and" I've  written
>> without the arrowhead. I've been doing this for a long time for head
>> nods and shakes.
>>
>> street: I perhaps wrote this sign too quickly as it's a bit out of
>> shape! it's two "American-H" hands written with the palms because the
>> orientation is unusual so I felt it had to be indicated.
>>
>> justWalkingAlong: I've missed out the arrowheads again, this time for
>> the "relaxed pout" on the mouth indicating that the walk is "as  normal".
>> The half-arrowhead is horizontal, but if I'd been more careful it  would
>> have been diagonal!
>>
>> circus: I hope this is clear, it's supposed to be twisting three  curved
>> fingers (thumb, index and middle) about the nose like a clown nose.
>>
>> carnivalComingTowardsUs: again, I wrote the palms because I felt the
>> orientation was unusual.
>>
>> bothWatchingItGoingBy: for a while now I've just repeated  arrowheads to
>> indicate repeated movements, so this arrow is swept through three  times,
>> in BSL indicating an activity that went on for some time.
>>
>> finish: the two little lines are thumbs; the arrows are supposed to  be
>> moving upwards but I didn't draw them doubled; I didn't worry so much
>> about clarity because this sign is used very frequently and  couldn't be
>> mistaken for anything else.
>>
>> what: again, I've missed the arrowheads as this shaking from side to
>> side movement should be clear enough to BSLers.
>>
>> Will everybody be able to see this? What's best to submit graphics  in,
>> PNG, GIF or JPEG?
>>
>> Sandy Fleming
>>
>>
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