Question about ASL sign GOVERNMENT

Fri Nov 21 13:00:03 UTC 2008

So then perhaps this movement symbol is more correct?

It is used in signs with similar movements such as:

but with a single movement...Natasha Escalada-Westland, M.Ed. (D/HH), Macromedia Cert.www.westlandasl.com > Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 04:06:02 -0800> From: chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [sw-l] Question about ASL sign GOVERNMENT> To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu> > The wrist rotation starts from the top of the hand and> goes down and around. I can understand you seeing it> going up and forward but the direction of the arrow is> still around the outside of the circle not the inside> of the circle. > > If you look at movement as a clock face, you are going> clockwise around the circle, not counter-clockwise, so> you could mark as I to the center, but not to the> left.> > There are actually two knuckle bends, one to start,> and one at the end, so the writing with both hands> shown is probably clearer, just not as compact. > > Charles> --- Natasha Escalada-Westland <shash90 at hotmail.com>> wrote:> > > > > Thanks everyone for the feedback and discussion! I> > understand all the explanations except the wrist> > rotation. To me, the symbol that Adam used and> > Charles discussed looks as if the wrist rotates down> > and back, yet when I sign to myself, the movement> > seems up and forward. Do I misunderstand movement> > symbol then?Natasha Escalada-Westland, M.Ed. (D/HH),> > Macromedia Cert.www.westlandasl.com > > > > From: icemandeaf at gmail.comTo:> > sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.eduSubject: Re: [sw-l]> > Question about ASL sign GOVERNMENTDate: Thu, 20 Nov> > 2008 13:01:47 -0800CC: shash90 at hotmail.com> > If I were to write it as I sign it, which is a lot> > like how I can see Natasha is writing it, I would> > come up with this for more detailed use:> > > > > > > > > > But I would simplify it even more as this is really> > more information then is needed. So something like> > this:> > > > > > Although Charles did say that the palm should all be> > white as it is in ASLpro and wouldn't disagree with> > it if it is written that way because I have seen> > people sign it that way, I don't normally end up> > that way when I sign it. So half black and white or> > white is fine. Up to the writer. ;-)> > > > The black dot means the knuckle bends in, but the> > open dot means the knuckles bend out, so the final> > movement is bending open. > > > > Charles is right that the wrist circle is backwards> > as you have it where the wrist circles up, not down> > as with the sign.> > > > I personally don't use the single touch because it> > is clear that the finger is touching the head. Also,> > the touch symbol does not go between the finger and> > the head, but near if you want it there. > > > > Other than that, my simplified writing (which is> > what I would normally use in most cases) match very> > closely to you writing. Just a few confusions about> > a couple of the symbols, but not bad. :-)> > > > If you want more help, just let us know. Always> > willing to give feedback on writing. :-)> > > > Adam> > On Nov 20, 2008, at 10:51 AM, Charles Butler wrote:> > > > If one knows the sign, this is quite compact and> > contains all the information necessary to read> > outside to inside to end at the point of contact. I> > checked on> > > > http://www.aslpro.com/cgi-bin/aslpro/aslpro.cgi> > > > to get a video of the sign (they only have Governor)> > but that is Govern + person.> > > > Notes on writing.> > > > Reading from the inside out. > > > > 1) Sign ends at point of contact (the palm facing> > usually written). At that point, the hand is palm> > facing the reader, the index finger as written is> > palm down, which is the point of initial movement> > not the ending movement. > > > > 2) The knuckle bend is shown correctly.> > > > 3) The wrist movement is backward. If one follows> > the circle, one's index finger would be going toward> > the center which is the opposite of the movement if> > one is signing one's own hand. As it is a complete> > circular movement, the type of movement is correct,> > just the rotation of the arrow needs to be mirrored.> > > > > > So, to fix the writing:> > > > 1) Reverse the wrist circle (imagine the index> > finger circling away from you, which is out from the> > center in writing). > > > > 2) Change the palm facing on the index finger to> > palm toward the reader (all white, not half and> > half). > > > > 3) Leave the knuckle bend where it is. The whole> > writing is compact and actually quite elegant.> > > > Charles Butler> > > > > > Valerie Sutton <signwriting at mac.com> wrote:> > SignWriting ListNovember 20, 2008Hello SW List!This> > morning Natasha sent the SW List an email, and I am> > not sure why, but the message came through only> > through the Digest version of the SW List, but not> > into my email box...so just in case, I am re-posting> > Natasha's question to the List to be sure you all> > got it....I hope the SignWriting teachers on the> > List will answer Natasha's question! Thank you> > Natasha for this question! Val ;-)PS. I am enjoying> > my visit with my sister...thank you, Adam, for> > wishing us a happy Thanksgiving and I want to wish a> > happy Thanksgiving to you too, and to all who> > celebrate the holiday here in the US...Actually> > Thanksgiving Day is a week from today, but my sister> > came early because she cannot be here on the real> > Thanksgiving Day...so we are celebrating> > early...smile ;-)-----------------> From: "Natasha> > Escalada-Westland" > Date: November 20, 2008 5:19:42> > AM PST> To: "SignWriting Listserve" > Subject:> > [sw-l] ASL sign for government> Reply-To:> > "SignWriting List" >>> Hi All,>> I just wanted some> > feedback on this version I wrote of the ASL sign >> > for "government".> Thanks!>>>> Natasha> > Escalada-Westland, M.Ed. 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