AW: [sw-l] Movement to the side

Thu Nov 27 17:42:44 UTC 2008

Hi Andrè, 

I agree with Adams comment  it doesnt matter.  smile  From my point of
view  I prefer single stemmed arrows if the movement is directly to the
left or right side. But this attitude developed over time  I guess it is a
matter of clear structure .. . 

Sometimes I hesitate if I should vote for top  down or frontview  if a
handorientation allows  both options ... and in the past we discussed this
point that almost always both hands in a sign should be written  (if
possible) from the same point of view ( both hands top down, or both hands
front view) But even here I decide to violate this principle if anything
seems to prevent the reader to understand intuitively and alost without any
hesitation. 

So  my opinion  left and right movement  (if they are meant to be
straight to the left and straight to the right)   c a n   be written with
both arrows ( double stemmed and sinle stemmed) but in these cases I always
vote for the single stemmed arrows.

Stefan ;-) 

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[mailto:sw-l-bounces at majordomo.valenciacc.edu] Im Auftrag von Gagnon et
Thibeault
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 27. November 2008 18:04
An: SignWriting List
Betreff: Re: [sw-l] Movement to the side

Hi Adam and everyone,

    Yes, (A) and (B) are correct or the same.  But Deaf students'thinking is
different from your thinking.  For example, Deaf students develop a
phonological analysis for different SW symbols (hand on the floor or wall
plane and single-stemmed arrow (floor plane) and double-stemmed arrow (wall
plane)).  Deaf students found that they are more comfortable to read (B)
than (A) because of the same wall planes.  It is very important for me to
understand how to acquire and learn a phonological analysis for Deaf kids,
not Deaf adults.  For example, a Deaf kid who is 7 years old is able to read
(B) more easy than (A) according to Deaf teacher.

    I don't doubt that older kids are able to read either (A) and (B) than
younger kids.

    Regards,

    André

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From: Adam Frost <mailto:icemandeaf at gmail.com>  

To: SignWriting List <mailto:sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>  

Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 11:03 AM

Subject: Re: [sw-l] Movement to the side

The difference between using the single stem arrow and double stem for side
movements is just writers preference. Either is still correct. So (A) and
(B) are the same. (C) and (D) have the hands on the floor plane which is
different from (A) and (B). I am not surprise that the deaf students are
talking about floor and wall planes. ;-)

Adam

On Nov 27, 2008, at 7:15 AM, "Gagnon et Thibeault" <atg at videotron.ca> wrote:

Hi Val, Adam, Stefan and everyone,

    It is interesting that Deaf students talked about a front view and a top
view.

    See my attached diagram.  This is my writing (A) (DEFENDRE (French) =
INTERDICT (English).  Deaf students are confused to read it because they
stopped reading and figured out it.  Several Deaf students explained that
the two hands are parallel with the front wall (front view), and the
movement to the side with the single-stemmed arrows is viewed from the floor
(top view).   They suggested that the two hands are parallel with the front
wall (front view), and the movement to the side with the double-stemmed
arrows is viewed from the front wall (front view) (See the attached diagram
(B) because Deaf students read it easily (the same front view).  They told
Deaf teacher if they use the two hands which are parallel with the floor,
they use the movement to the side with the single-stemmed arrows whhich is
viewed from the floor (top view) (See the attached diagram (C).  They don't
want to use (D) since they aren't conformtable to read it.

    I can't believe that Deaf students understand a concept of the front
view and the top view.

    I adopt Deaf students'proposal.

    Regards,

    André

<SW DEFENDRE.doc>

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