# Group 1 handshape symbol differentiation

Ingvild Roald iroald at HOTMAIL.COM
Wed Oct 1 12:48:35 UTC 2008

```Usually you write the front view/ wall plane

However, signs are easier to read if all symbols in a sign is written from the same perspective.

So, if for some reason other parts of the sign has to be written as bird's view / floor plane, the sign becomes easier to read if you can write all of it in this perspective.

Sometimes you have to mix perspectives in one sign, that cannot be avoided. But as a rule:

1) use front view if all symbols can be written in front view

2) Try to write all symbols in one sign from the same perspective

3) use bird's perspective for all symbols, if possible, if one or more symbols have to be written that way

4) use mixed perspectives if you have to

Hope this helps,

Ingvild

From: shash90 at hotmail.com
To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
Subject: RE: [sw-l] Group 1 handshape symbol differentiation
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 05:30:58 -0700

I have been thinking about all this information, and I have refined my question once again.  I do appreciate everyone's patience.  I understand that the symbols represent the planes from which the hand is viewed.  How then does one decide when to switch planes of view to represent a sign one would like to write?

For example, my original question involved trying to represent a hand, palm in, pointed to my left, located in front of my body.  Because the hand can be represented in both the wall and the floor plane (palm or side view or perspective), how or when does one make the decision to use either one or the other representation?

One helpful list-member pointed out that you could imagine sticking a pin in the hand shape and rotating it.  How do I decide which side to stick the pin  in?  Another list-member said I should decide based on the placement or height of the hand (am I seeing more of wall or floor plane).  And then I also got advice that the height (placement?) is irrelevant.

Truly, the hand is a six-sided box, if you choose to think about it that way, so I am wondering if there is a writing rule that helps us decide from which of the three parallel planes we are actually viewing or writing it from.

How do you all go about making these decisions when writing?  Is there a standard or rule for when to "break" or change planes?

Thanks again!

Natasha Escalada-Westland, M.Ed. (D/HH), Macromedia Cert.
Westland Progeny,
www.westlandprogeny.com
www.westlandasl.com

> From: signwriting at mac.com
> To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
> Subject: Re: [sw-l] Group 1 handshape symbol differentiation
> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 07:53:26 -0700
>
>
> And the same is true for the plane parallel to the Floor. We can
> pretend we are on the ceiling, looking down at hands that are parallel
> to the Floor Plane. Those hands have the break across them...and they
> can be high or low or far or near to the body, and if we pretend we
> are a bird sitting high up, looking down, we see the hand parallel to
> the floor...no matter how high or low the hand itself is...that is why
> Ingvild called it the "bird's eye view"...so all these levels of
> hands, parallel to the Floor Plane have a break in the handshape.
>
> In the attached diagram all these hands are in the exact same palm
> facing. They are simply at different heights. They are all parallel to
> the Floor. And we are viewing them as if we were a bird sitting on the
> ceiling....so we know it is the Floor Plane, when there is a break in
> the finger...at any height:
>

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