AW: [sw-l] Print SignWriting Greeting Cards

Thu Dec 3 17:57:41 UTC 2009

Hallo Stefan and everyone,

    Who is the reader?

    I assume that the reader reads and writes a SW in vertical coloumns because Val already mentioned that Deaf people requested writing in vertical coloumns.

    What are spelling standards and spelling rule violations?

    Stefan, You have a good question.

    You will see the attached "read horizontally" and "read vertically" for fingerspelling names and compound signs.  In addition, you will see the attached "horizontal Gebradeschreft" and "vertical Gebradeschrefts" for a speech.

    Sw-list friends, What do you think about spelling standards and rule violations?

    Best regards,

    André
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Stefan Wöhrmann 
  To: 'SignWriting List' 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 3:59 PM
  Subject: AW: AW: [sw-l] Print SignWriting Greeting Cards

  Hi Ingvild and sw-list friends, 

  Thank you for your message. This can be the beginning of a general discussion about what we are doing if we try to describe the performance of a signer 

  So many aspects involved - what do I see? What makes a difference? Is it necessary to be familiar with the given SL? Can I repeat the performance exactly the same way? How many details are wanted? Spelling standards ... spelling rule violations ... Who is the reader? ... 

  And now - how to express my idea of what is performed in SignWriting?  Writing for the informed reader or for just anybody?  

  In this case - I write just two fingerspelling handshapes almost at the same place performed.    "j " first and "d" afterwards.  

  I admit that I never saw Jonathan performing his name - so I guess it is close to what is supposed to be standard .. J and  D

  Your spelling is a different performance.  

  Of course there are other options to sign this - smile - and I understand the point that this wrist - movement  would lead to some kind of expectation that the next symbol should appear on the left. But this is simply a fingerspelling-sequence coming one after the next. 

  In this case it is the spelling for a sign name -  it is written from left to right  ... I still prefer writing horizontally more, ... if I do not use SignPuddle - Software  - 

  especially if I prepare the documents for my students at school. 

  Stefan ;-)

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  Von: sw-l-bounces at majordomo.valenciacc.edu [mailto:sw-l-bounces at majordomo.valenciacc.edu] Im Auftrag von Ingvild Roald
  Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. Dezember 2009 18:25
  An: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
  Betreff: RE: AW: [sw-l] Print SignWriting Greeting Cards

  I think maybe I would write like this (see attached JD.jpg), from the feeling of the movements

  Ingvild 

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  Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:06:31 -0800
  From: chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com
  Subject: Re: AW: [sw-l] Print SignWriting Greeting Cards
  To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu

  Curious, Ingvild, would you then put the fingerspelled D below the J?  Fingerspelling, at least in ASL has all the letters at the same height, and usually is read left to right, not up and down.  When I was transcribing a video, I did fingerspelling as a stack of letters so that it was clear that it was sequential.  (see ASL Encylopedia).

  Would that be better?

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  From: Ingvild Roald <iroald at hotmail.com>
  To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
  Sent: Wed, December 2, 2009 12:00:35 PM
  Subject: RE: AW: [sw-l] Print SignWriting Greeting Cards

  hm...

  if I did not know the J was supposed to come before the D, the movement would make me think that this was DJ ..

  Ingvild 

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  Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:35:57 -0600
  From: joyoduncan at gmail.com
  To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
  Subject: Re: AW: [sw-l] Print SignWriting Greeting Cards

  Hi Stefan,
      Getting back to some email I didn't reply to yet. ;-) 
      Yes that is my sign name.   We I guess without the face.  My sign name doesn't have any contacts.  It's just JD.

  Jonathan Duncan

  Stefan Wöhrmann wrote: 

  Good morning , 

  reading your message I tried to remember your name sign. Google showed up with many results . but this one is really interesting -  isn't it? 

  Stefan ;-)

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  Von: sw-l-bounces at majordomo.valenciacc.edu [mailto:sw-l-bounces at majordomo.valenciacc.edu] Im Auftrag von Jonathan y Yolaine
  Gesendet: Samstag, 17. Oktober 2009 02:08
  An: SignWriting List
  Betreff: Re: [sw-l] Print SignWriting Greeting Cards

  Hi Val,
      Nice cards, just wanted to point out that the signwriting for Get Well as a typo has two right hands!! :-) 

  Jonathan
  Valerie Sutton wrote: 

  SignWriting List 

  September 21, 2009

  Print your own Greeting Cards in SignWriting

  Go to:

  SignWriting Cards

  and click on Number 12 on that web page...

  Or download here:

  SignWriting Greeting Cards in ASL

  Document posted on the web

  For printing cards with:

  Avery 3266 Quarter-Fold Greeting Cards

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