Question about tilting or rocking

[Valerie Sutton]

SignWriting List
July 9, 2009

Ha!

Bending is different than tilting or rocking...that has been our  
terminology...bending side for example means stretching the muscles on  
the side of your body as you are bending side...that is a true  
bend...but the tilting symbols, which really represent the shifting of  
weight side to side, are not stretching the muscles and actually  
bending...smile...

Isn't it funny how terminology is so important?...if you were here  
sitting in my office I could show you and that would make it much  
easier...

The Tilting Symbols, near the shoulder line, are showing the upper  
body from the waist up moving as a unit slightly to one side or the  
other...If you are sitting down in a chair, from your waist, move the  
shoulders and head over to the right a little (the upper body from the  
waist up), without moving the hips, and not stretching or bending  
anything...just a tiny shift from the rib cage over to one side or the  
other...like mime artists separate one part of the body to move just  
that part of the body...the symbols near the shoulders are  
representing a shifting of position to the side from the upper half of  
the spine, without stretching or bending...just shifting a little  
while still remaining straight up and down...

If the Shoulder Line is written straight, then the movement is keeping  
the shoulders straight while the weight shift occurs, but if the  
shoulders are written at an angle, then there is also some bending  
happening at the same time that the shift of weight is occuring...

Let me try to create a diagram...

Val ;-)

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On Jul 9, 2009, at 9:24 AM, Adam Frost wrote:

> So would that be the difference between the torso or spine staying  
> straight verses bending?
>
> Adam
>
> On Jul 9, 2009, at 8:58 AM, "Valerie Sutton"  
> <sutton at signwriting.org> wrote:
>
>> SignWriting List
>> July 9, 2009
>>
>> Hello Ingvild!
>> I am sorry I did not explain these symbols better...
>>
>> Although it is possible to keep the head in one place while the  
>> shoulders tilt, or even have the head moving in the opposite  
>> direction to the movement of the upper body, that is not what I  
>> meant at all...that is not what these symbols mean.
>>
>> The head goes along with the rocking or tilting motion...
>>
>> When we place the symbols on top of the head, they are referring to  
>> the entire body (the entire spine including the head) doing a  
>> weight shift or rocking to one side and the the other. It is a  
>> larger rocking motion that includes the entire spine....so if you  
>> were standing up, the entire body might shift its weight a little  
>> to one side or the other, and if you are sitting down, then the  
>> rocking comes from the hips or your seat...It is not writing head  
>> motion only...it is a whole-spine rocking...and unless otherwise  
>> stated, the head is going along with the spine...that was the way  
>> these symbols were defined some 20 years ago...
>>
>> But when the tilting or rocking motion is placed near the  
>> shoulders, it is a smaller rocking that does not involve the entire  
>> spine but only the upper half of the spine from the waist up...and  
>> the head I would assume, follows along in the direction of the  
>> rocking...we are not talking about the head...it is coming along  
>> for the ride...
>>
>> Now it is very possible physically to have the head move in one  
>> direction while the shoulders rock in the other direction, but that  
>> would require adding the symbols for the head that show that  
>> motion, ...The reader would need to know that the shoulders are  
>> going one way and the head is lead by the ear in the opposite  
>> direction...but unless you are writing dancing or mime that would  
>> rarely be needed in SignWriting...the Tilting Symbols are showing  
>> weight shifts from the whole spine or the upper spine...
>>
>> Val ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 9, 2009, at 2:04 AM, Ingvild Roald wrote:
>>
>>> How can you tilt your torso without also moving your head? Just  
>>> moving the stomach /chest back and forth? To move the shoulders  
>>> without the head feels more like moving the head in the opposite  
>>> direction ...
>>>
>>> Ingvild
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > From: signwriting at mac.com
>>> > To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
>>> > Subject: Re: [sw-l] Re: Question about tilting or rocking
>>> > Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 11:38:59 -0700
>>> > CC: JoSignJ at aol.com
>>> >
>>> > SignWriting List
>>> > July 8, 2009
>>> >
>>> > Hello Adam and Jonita!
>>> > Thank you for looking at the video of the sign, Adam and for  
>>> writing
>>> > it...I like your writing...it is clear. When the Tilt symbols are
>>> > placed above the head, it means the entire upper body tilts or  
>>> shifts
>>> > from side to side...When they are placed near the shoulders,  
>>> that is
>>> > only the shoulders, from the waist...so placing the symbols  
>>> above the
>>> > head is a stronger tilt motion that is entire upper body...Here  
>>> are
>>> > those symbols:
>>> >
>>>
>>>
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