Signwriting Documents - another program?

MARIA AZZOPARDI maria.azzopardi at UM.EDU.MT
Mon Mar 16 22:21:17 UTC 2009 

Jonathan and Bill,

Your emails are so technical they are like Greek for me :)

However, Jonathan, I really look forward to your program! Keep up the good
work! I'll be very willing to be one of the people to test it out whenever
you need to. It sounds very promising indeed.

Maria

> Jonathan wrote:
>>
>>
>> Bill Reese wrote:
>>> Jonathon,
>>>
>>> By your list, you look close to a beta.   Completion of the two items
>>> you mentioned that need work or you're working on, the implementation
>>> of the arrow symbol chooser in SWEditor, and a rudimentary Help file
>>> for those testing would seem to put you there.   Some of your "not
>>> yet implemented" items look optional that can be added during the beta.
>> Thanks for the encouragement,  I guess if I did that I could get a
>> Beta much sooner.  Some of the functions work but are a little buggy.
>> For example I can choose several symbols at once to move them around
>> or deselect one but sometimes it doesn't deselect the one it's
>> supposed to.  I was thinking that I should fix all of the bugs I know
>> of before I release a Beta.  What do you think?
>
> Jonathan, I think it depends on the bugs.   As long as the known bugs
> aren't critical to basic functions then you could release it with a list
> of the known bugs to a group of registered beta-testers.  It's really
> your call, though - whenever you feel comfortable with other people
> testing and trying it out.
>
>
>>>
>>> I use Kubuntu, which is Ubuntu with the KDE desktop, whereas Ubuntu
>>> uses Gnome.  Gnome is smaller than KDE and works faster on older
>>> computers.  The KDE desktop is more Windows-like which appeals to
>>> those moving over from Windows.  Ubuntu and Kubuntu have been the
>>> most popular Linux distros for 3 years now and they both regularly
>>> update every 6 months.
>> I had a quick look at some article about the two.  Do you ever run
>> into cases where a program will only run on Gnome but not KDE or vice
>> versa?
> I haven't used the Gnome desktop at all and the few Gnome programs I
> installed on the KDE desktop worked fine.  There's a lot of work done
> and being done to provide compatibility between the two.  It's all
> Ubuntu anyways, which is built from Debian.
>
> Bill
>
>>
>> Jonathan
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>> Jonathan y Yolaine wrote:
>>>> Bill,
>>>>     I was hoping to release a beta, but I might just go ahead and
>>>> release an alpha so I can get more feed back earlier on in the
>>>> development progress.   Right now it won't run on Linux.  I am still
>>>> thinking of releasing it for Linux, but it depends how complex it
>>>> becomes to port it to Linux. I have noticed that the Mono project to
>>>> port Windows .NET programs to Linux is maturing well.
>>>>     Which flavor of Linux do you use/recommend?
>>>>
>>>> Jonathan
>>>>
>>>> Bill Reese wrote:
>>>>> Jonathan,
>>>>>
>>>>> You're program list is very impressive.  I'd like to test it once
>>>>> you get it to a point where you can release an alpha or beta.  Will
>>>>> it be able to work on different platforms like Linux?
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jonathan wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Maria,
>>>>>>     My program called "The SignWriter Studio" has many features,
>>>>>> one of them being SignWriting Documents.  It has been a big
>>>>>> project.  Some of it´s goals have been faster sign input, keyboard
>>>>>> input, standalone program not needing internet, multi-spoken
>>>>>> language to signlanguage, sign lists to helps students learn new
>>>>>> signs.
>>>>>>     I am still working on the printing routines but the goal is
>>>>>> that the columns flow into the space available.  So it can do any
>>>>>> size page.  I have it working were it will accommodate and re flow
>>>>>> to the window size.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is an update of the progress of my program.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jonathan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Main Feature* 	*Feature* 	*Status* 	*Comment*
>>>>>> *GlosstoSign*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Gloss to Sign 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Phrase to Sign 	In Future version 	Match a phrase or
>>>>>> consecutive words with a sign
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Pass to Document 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Insert Gloss 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Remove Gloss 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Change Gloss 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Keyboard Shortcuts 	Not yet implemented
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Help 	Not yet implemented
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Globalized 	Not yet implemented
>>>>>> *ImageEditor*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Crop 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Convert to Black and White 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Open/Save Image File 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Eraser 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Resize 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Contrast 	In Future version
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Brightness 	In Future version
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Undo/Redo 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Keyboard Shortcuts 	Not yet implemented
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Help 	Not yet implemented
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Globalized 	Not yet implemented
>>>>>> *Import Export*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Import SBML 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Export SBML 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Import SignText URL 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Export SignText URL 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Import from another copy TheSignWriterStudio 	Not yet implemented
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Choose Gloss Language 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Choose Dictionary Sign Language 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Keyboard Shortcuts 	Not yet implemented
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Help 	Not yet implemented
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Globalized 	Not yet implemented
>>>>>> *Options*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Choose User Interface Language 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Choose User Interface Sign Language 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Choose First Gloss Language 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Choose Second Gloss Language 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Choose Dictionary Sign Language 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Keyboard Shortcuts 	Not yet implemented
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Help 	Not yet implemented
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Globalized 	Not yet implemented
>>>>>> *SignList*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Add/Rename/Choose/Delete SignList 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Add/Rename/Choose/Order/Delete SignList Sub Titles 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Add/Choose/Delete SignList Sub Title Signs from Dictionary
>>>>>> Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Display Sign 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Mark Signs not in any previous Sub Title 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Print List 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Print Preview 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Export to Image File for Slide Show 	Not yet implemented
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Keyboard Shortcuts 	Not yet implemented
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Help 	Not yet implemented
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Globalized 	Not yet implemented
>>>>>> *SWDictionary*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Search Bilingual Gloss 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Search Unilingual Gloss 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Add New Sign 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Duplicate Sign 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Edit SignWriting in SWEditor 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Edit Image in ImageEditor 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Import 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Export 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Copy/Paste SignWriting 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Copy/Paste Picture of Sign 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Copy/Paste Photo 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	SignLanguage to SignLanguage 	In Future version
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Synonyms 	In Future version
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Antonyms 	In Future version
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Sign one must not confuse with 	In Future version
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Sign Definition 	In Future version
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Sign Example 	In Future version
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Sign Parts-of-Speech 	In Future version
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Sign Mnemonic 	In Future version
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Keyboard Shortcuts 	Not yet implemented
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Help 	Not yet implemented
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Globalized 	Not yet implemented
>>>>>> *SWDocument*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Add/Edit SignWriting in SWEditor 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Add Sign from Dictionary 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Add/Edit Image in ImageEditor 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Add Image from File 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Remove Sign/Image 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Move Sign/Image 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Copy Sign to Clipboard 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Sign Move Drag and Drop 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Switch Sign Lanes 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Set Sign Bottom Margin 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Edit Gloss 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Copy Image to Clipboard 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Save Sign back to Dictionary 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Symbol and Sign Gloss tool tip 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Save/Load Document 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Import 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Export 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Print 	Needs work
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Print Preview 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Page Setup 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Show/Hide glosses 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Start new column 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Keyboard Shortcuts 	Not yet implemented
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Help 	Not yet implemented
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Globalized 	Not yet implemented
>>>>>> *SWEditor*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Spread Symbols 	In Future version
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Setup Offsets for all heads 	In Future version
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Torso Symbol Chooser 	In Future version
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	EyeGaze Symbol Chooser 	In Future version
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Favority Sign Parts 	In Future version
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Listing of all Symbol Groups 	Needs Work
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Globalized 	Not yet implemented
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Arrow Symbol Chooser 	Not yet implemented
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Help 	Not yet implemented
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Change Symbol Color 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Copy/Paste SignWriting 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Add/Change Frames 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Change Background Color 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Copy Image of Sign 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Undo/Redo 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Hand Shape Search 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Add/Remove/Choose Favorite Symbol 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Mouseless Writing 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Keyboard Shortcuts 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Hand Symbol Chooser 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Hand Shape Rotation/Fill Chooser 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Add/Remove/Order Sequence 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	General Symbol Chooser 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Overlap Symbols 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Symbol Drag and Drop 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Duplicate Symbols 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Change Symbol size 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Multiple Symbol Selection 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Move Symbol Above/Below 	Working
>>>>>> *SWSearch*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Exact Match 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Group Match 	Not yet implemented
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Fill Match 	Not yet implemented
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Rotation Match 	Not yet implemented
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Any Match 	Not yet implemented
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Synonym Symbol in other plane 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Sign Similarity 	In Future version
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Keyboard Shortcuts 	Working
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Help 	Not yet implemented
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Globalized 	Not yet implemented
>>>>>> *SWQuizes*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Multiple Choice SignWriting 	Not yet implemented
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Multiple Choice Gloss 	Not yet implemented
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Keyboard Shortcuts 	Not yet implemented
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Help 	Not yet implemented
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Globalized 	Not yet implemented
>>>>>> *SWAnimation*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	SignWriting to Animation Files 	In Future version
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Help 	In Future version
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Globalized 	In Future version
>>>>>> *SWAvatar*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	SignWriting to Avatar script 	In Future version
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Help 	In Future version
>>>>>> *
>>>>>> * 	Globalized 	In Future version
>>>>>> *SWReceptive* 	Expresive to Receptive 	In Future version
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MARIA AZZOPARDI wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Jonathan,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All the features mentioned are exactly what I need, but the most
>>>>>>> imp one
>>>>>>> is that when you add a column of signwriting in the middle of the
>>>>>>> document, all following columns move to accomodate it.  Like
>>>>>>> writing
>>>>>>> spoken languages in Word, you can insert a paragraph wherever you
>>>>>>> like and
>>>>>>> everything else moves to accomodate it (I don't know what this is
>>>>>>> called
>>>>>>> in technical terms, I'm sure there is a word for it :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So you are working on a program for signwriting documents?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What about the option of printing A5 is that possible in this
>>>>>>> program?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for your response,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maria
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Maria,
>>>>>>>>     I don't know of any other program yet.  Mine is progressing
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> unfinished.  My document suite lets the document flow on the
>>>>>>>> screen from
>>>>>>>> one column to the next.  I haven't done the printing part yet but
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> intending to do it in similar fashion. So when you add some text,
>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>> doesn't fit on one page flows to the next, etc.   The idea is also
>>>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>>> able to have inline pictures within any of the 3 lanes of the
>>>>>>>> column.  I
>>>>>>>> can also have gloss on the signwriting or not.
>>>>>>>>     Is this what you were wanting?  What other editing features
>>>>>>>> would be
>>>>>>>> important for you?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jonathan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> MARIA AZZOPARDI wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I was wondering if anyone on the list has experience transferring
>>>>>>>>> long
>>>>>>>>> signwriting documents into another program (such as
>>>>>>>>> DocumentMaker) and
>>>>>>>>> maybe could suggest another program which is a little more
>>>>>>>>> flexible?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> DocumentMaker is very good of course, however I am thinking in
>>>>>>>>> terms of
>>>>>>>>> very long documents and one limitation in DocumentMaker is the
>>>>>>>>> following:
>>>>>>>>> Say you have completed 50 pages, then whilst editing you realise
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>> to add another column somewhere inbetween, say at page 25, if you
>>>>>>>>> add
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> column there at page 25, all that follows does not change
>>>>>>>>> (because each
>>>>>>>>> page is saved separately). It would be really good if there was a
>>>>>>>>> program
>>>>>>>>> that allowed for this flexibility.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks to all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> maria
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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