AW: Manchester

Wed May 20 17:37:37 UTC 2009

SignWriting List
May 20, 2009

Hello Alison!
Very happy to meet you and welcome to the SignWriting List ;-)

Many many years ago (grin), long before your time there I am sure,  
SignWriting was used by Bencie Woll at the University of Bristol for a  
research project writing International signs...but that was not  
BSL...so we have not really had very many in the UK get started  
writing BSL...Sandy Fleming has written some literature and has a  
lovely site...thank you, Sandy, for your work all these years...

SignWriting in UK
http://www.signwriting.org/uk/

Take a look at Sandy Fleming's UK site:

http://bsltext.org/

There are some cool SignWriting pages there...

Anyway - we would certainly enjoy helping people start to add signs  
and literature into the BSL SignPuddle anytime:

http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle/index4.html#sgn-GB

So if you start adding signs, Alison and Suzanne and Trevor and Chris  
and Sandy and anyone else from the UK ....just ask questions here on  
the SW List and we will be happy to help with both software questions  
and SignWriting questions...

All languages are welcome too!

Val ;-)

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> On May 20, 2009, at 5:04 AM, Alison Vere wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone,
>> My apologies for not introducing myself earlier...
>> My name is Alison and I'm originally from Manchester, UK.
>> I studied Deaf Studies (BSL/English Interpreting) at Bristol Uni  
>> and am now in Malta studying Linguistics where I have had the  
>> pleasure of being in Maria's SignWriting classes.
>> It is great to read about the development of SignWriting and how it  
>> is gaining popularity across the world.
>> I look forward to learning more about SignWriting through the list!
>> Suzanne - do you have anymore info about the proposed project in  
>> Manchester please?
>> Best wishes,
>> Alison :o)

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On May 20, 2009, at 2:52 AM, MARIA AZZOPARDI wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Alison, could you introduce yourself please? ...  ;)
> You could very well be the start of full-fledged signwriting in the  
> UK.
>
> Maria
>
>> SignWriting List
>> May 19, 2009
>>
>> Hello Everyone in the UK, and Stefan!
>>
>> Thank you for this discussion...
>>
>> I hope you all will start adding these signs to your British Sign
>> Language Puddles...
>>
>> BSL SignPuddles
>> http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle/index4.html#sgn-GB
>>
>> I see the sign for Manchester has been added to the BSL
>> dictionary...smile...
>>
>> Val ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 19, 2009, at 3:00 PM, Trevor Jenkins wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 10:36 PM, Suzanne pach <Suzanne at bordvoorjekop.nl
>>>> wrote:
>>> I would go for variation A, but I only just gained my BSL
>>> level 1 certification, so I might not be the best person
>>> to ask.. :)
>>>
>>> My SW skills are very very very rusty these days but I'm not sure
>>> that the SW variants are correct. The .M. has the non-dominant hand
>>> (effectively) parallel to the floor. But the .C. is (effectivley)
>>> parallel to the wall.So SW variants B and C would be incorrect.
>>> There is no semantic difference, in this name sign, between the use
>>> of single .C. and the full .C. so the pictures for SW Variants A and
>>> C are both okay.
>>>
>>> PS Well done Suzanne on getting BSL Level 1. I'm studying for Level
>>> 3 at the moment.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Good Luck!
>>>
>>> Suzanne
>>>
>>> PS Talking about Manchester makes me think of the
>>> SW-project that maybe was going to take place around
>>> Manchester, but that couldn't get started yet because of
>>> the (lack of) funding. Have there been any new
>>> developments lately?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Stefan,
>>>> The non-dominant hand in M is parallel to the floor and
>>>> the C hand in the
>>>> sign MANCHESTER is a full hand.
>>>> I think that would be the M from 'Variation A' and the C
>>>> from 'Variation C'
>>>> ??
>>>> Although as you can see the examples you have found
>>>> online, the hanshape of
>>>> the dominanthand (left hand) varies.
>>>> The citation form would look like I have described above
>>>> but this changes
>>>> when found in a phrase.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Alison
>>>>
>>>> 2009/5/18 Stefan Wï¿½hrmann <stefanwoehrmann at googlemail.com>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Alison, Trevor ...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> this is terriffic
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you soo much for your quick answer.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well now ï¿½ signwriters are the sharp-eye signers ï¿½ smile
>>>>> . I looked up
>>>>> various sources and there are quite obvious differences
>>>>> in the performance
>>>>> of the two ï¿½lettersï¿½  It is not easy to express all
>>>>> information for the
>>>>> parameters in a drawing ...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you give your feedback once more?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Stefan ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Variation A:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.deafsign.com/ds/fingerspell/fs_b2h_trans.cfm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Variation B:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.aspexdesign.co.uk/bsl.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Both hands parallel to the floor
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Variation C:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.deafblind.com/deafsign.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Both hands parallel to the wall
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So can you tell me
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> *Von:* alisonvere at gmail.com
>>>>> [mailto:alisonvere at gmail.com]
>>>>> *Gesendet:* Montag, 18. Mai 2009 16:43
>>>>> *An:* stefanwoehrmann at googlemail.com
>>>>> *Betreff:* SW: Manchester
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Stefan,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am very new to the idea of signwriting and am still
>>>>> learning the basics.
>>>>>
>>>>> The sign for Manchester used in Manchester by Deaf
>>>>> people is M-C from the
>>>>> BSL 2-handed fingerspelling alphabet produced in neutral
>>>>> space.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is my attempt at signwriting it...
>>>>>
>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>>
>>>>> Alison
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Load message into
>>>>> SignText<http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle/signtext/signtext.html?list=01-05-012-01-04-08,95,163,01-06-005-01-06-02,119,171,02-01-001-01-01-01,105,170,01-05-029-02-02-01,155,153,,0%0d%0a%0D%0A
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Courtesy of SignBank.org <http://www.signbank.org/>
>>>>>
>>>>> 442c1d694addc2db5402c2aea534f2a2 =
>>>>> 442c1d694addc2db5402c2aea534f2a2
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Alison Vere
>>>> alisonvere at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> +356 79931258
>>>>
>>>>
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