question for the way to express 'made'
signwriting at MAC.COM
Thu Jan 7 17:21:02 UTC 2010
January 7, 2009
Hello Gan, Charles and Shane -
Yes, Shane is right. There is definitely a way to do all modifications
of verbs in sign languages, but the grammar structure is different
than in spoken languages. In ASL they oftentimes will combine the sign
for MAKE or CREATE, that Charles showed you, with the sign for FINISH,
that gives the verb the past tense...however, we need to wait for Adam
Frost to come back from his trip, since he is a native ASL signer and
he can explain it better than I can...
And Gan, the reason that Lourdes fingerspelled the sign for MADE is
not known to us...When we publish a Deaf person's writing, we try not
to change their signing style, but instead just try to assist with the
way the signs are written in SignWriting...but the actual choice of
fingerspelling versus using the past tense for MAKE was Lourdes'
choice...and we cannot get in touch with Lourdes right now...so if you
want to wait until Adam comes home...he can do his own version of
Frosty and then you will have the author to ask...
Meanwhile, from your software perspective, it needs to be able to
capture and write fingerspelling and facial expressions, if you want
the software to really be used by the ASL community, because ASL is
one of those sign languages that uses a great deal of fingerspelling
and all sign languages use facial expressions...
ASL uses a lot of fingerspelling for scientific terms that do not have
signs yet, and sometimes the fingerspelling becomes a sign in its own
right, by blending together to form an unsual group of finger
movements, so your software needs to get used to recognizing
fingerspelling...at least ASL has one-handed fingerspelling that might
be easier for your software than the two-handed fingerspelling used in
Those are my thoughts. Adam will be back on January 11th...
Good luck with your software - we look forward to using it someday -
On Jan 7, 2010, at 9:05 AM, Shane Gilchrist wrote:
> Dear Gan,
> we dont really have past tenses in the same sense as the English
> language - for instance, in BSL (using glosses - sorry!)
> I made food:
> - FOOD COOK^nodding
> - FOOD COOK PAST
> - FOOD COOK FINISHED!
> non-manual features are very important here.
> 2010/1/6 Gan Lu <glu at uclan.ac.uk>:
>> Hi Charles;
>> Thanks for the comment. So do you reckon the past tense is
>> necessary here? And if we use "create". should it be 'Created' then?
>>>>> "Charles Butler" <chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com> 06/01/10 1:54 PM >>>
>> Hmm. In context the sign, I would think would be either "make" or
>> "create". The tense is carried by the situation.
>> From: Gan Lu <glu at uclan.ac.uk>
>> To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
>> Sent: Wed, January 6, 2010 8:05:15 AM
>> Subject: [sw-l] question for the way to express 'made'
>> Dear Adam and Valerie;
>> I'm implementing the system now. While I have a question:
>> why can't we use an ASL gesture to express the meaning of
>> 'made' on the first page of the 'Frosty the Snow Man', other than
>> using the FingerSpellings to sign these four letters respectively?
>> I suppose the reason is because the word 'made' is a past
>> tense, and there is no ASL for it.
>> The reason I'm asking is my intention is to implement the first
>> page as a 4-by-4 output pattern, which are 16 sign-boxes in total
>> includes those punctuations. So I'm looking for a way to squeeze
>> the word 'made' into a box.
SW-L SignWriting List
SW-L at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
List Archives and Help
Change Email Settings
More information about the Sw-l