Gallaudet & TISLR
Shane K. Gilchrist
shane.gilchrist at GMAIL.COM
Fri Oct 8 12:28:14 UTC 2010
sorry for the silence here - im on the plane to London after my 3 weeks stay
in the States. I have enjoyed myself very much there.
Want to talk about two things here:
*1. Adam Frost at Gallaudet*
To my surprise, I found myself sitting beside Adam Frost in one of the
linguistics classes at Gallaudet - I didnt expect him to be there (I didnt
know he was doing his MA at Gallaudet - maybe he did say something abt it on
SW-L but I didnt follow SW-L until a few weeks ago :-( I have really enjoyed
getting to know him and hes a cool guy - quite smart for sure :-)
I was wondering maybe Adam can set up an informal class after Xmas at Gally
to teach signwriting and I could talk to Gaurav one of the assistant
professors in the Linguistics department to see if they can set up a course
module (creditable) next year to teach SW there - but they might not buy the
*2. TISLR Conference*
As many of you know, TISLR is THE conference for sign linguists and
researchers so it was natural that I had to be there - 400 were registered
to attend but most did come - got to meet many big names and made new
friends etc. There were a lot of SW supporters, especially the Belgians but
unfortunately there were no talks on signwriting - it has to be addressed
(no I didnt submit in time!) but hopefully that ll change at the next TISLR
conference - it ll be in London - 2013 - maybe Adam and I can submit a paper
together there :-)
I got to meet Charles Butler - it was really nice seeing him - I introduced
him to a few SignWriters there.
More signwriters there:
Isabella Heyrecik (sp?)
Danny de Woordt
Mim Veer-something ;-)
some more but I forgot their name - either way, we can get a special session
on signwriting at TISLR11 as it will be hosted by Bencie Woll who is a
supporter of SignWriting :-)
On 3 October 2010 18:17:37 UTC+1, Erika Hoffmann <erhoffma at oberlin.edu>
> Wow! I really regret that I was unable to get funding to attend TISLR
> this year - not only could I have me you and the SignWriting people
> you mentioned, but I just learned that a Deaf Nepali friend was there!
> On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Valerie Sutton <sutton at signwriting.org>
>> SignWriting List
>> October 3, 2010
>> Hello Charles and everyone!
>> I am sooo glad you enjoyed the TISLR! And that you saw so many people -
>> terrific! And I am really impressed and happy with the poster
>> on SignTyp and SignWriting that was presented at TISLR by you and Rachel
>> Channon from the University of Connecticut. Thank you to you both for
>> hard work on that project.
>> Yes, typing fingerspelling in vertical columns would be a wonderful
>> feature in any computer program. The old SignWriter DOS program can only
>> type fingerspelling from left to right like English...
>> Regarding the older program....Anyone is welcome to use SignWriter DOS
>> right now...just use DOS BOX on either Mac or Windows, and SignWriter DOS
>> works on modern computers...You can download it for free on the internet.
>> Richard Gleaves and I worked hard on the development of SignWriter and
>> certainly loved the keyboarding we developed together, but there was
>> any mouse action in SignWriter - there is literally NO capability to use
>> mouse in any SignWriter program, whether it was SignWriter DOS,
>> Java or the old SignWriter for the Apple //e and //c.
>> When we switch countries in SignWriter DOS, it is always done through the
>> keyboard...the entire thing is keyboarded, with NO mouse.
>> The reason I do not personally use SignWriter DOS any longer? Because
>> Lucinda O'Grady Batch and other Deaf people who are members of our Deaf
>> Action Committee (DAC) requested that we write down in vertical columns,
>> that is what we have with SignPuddle software by Steve Slevinski, and
>> other programs such as the new SignWriter Studio by Jonathan Duncan, that
>> not ready yet but is coming...I know Steve would love to add keyboarding
>> SignPuddle someday...it is just a big job to program that, and meanwhile
>> some people love using a mouse to drag and drop - not everyone loved
>> keyboarding, by the way...only some people do - I used to get complaints
>> from some people that they didn't want to learn to type and preferred a
>> mouse, back before SignPuddle was developed...so since people think and
>> differently it would be nice to have BOTH options...
>> So what we really need is to combine the old with the new...we need the
>> keyboarding of SignWriter DOS and Java, with the vertical columns of
>> SignPuddle - and then we are set - ha!
>> Meanwhile, if you want to use SignWriter DOS or Java right now, I can
>> you set it up on your computer so you can keyboard again if you
>> doesn't use the up-to-date symbols of course - that is another drawback,
>> darn it...
>> Welcome home, Charles - smile -
>> Val ;-)
>> On Oct 3, 2010, at 9:10 AM, Charles Butler wrote:
>>> TISLR was fantastic, I just wish I had not been so antsy and having to
>>> get back so early.
>>> Shane Gilchrist
>>> Ronice Quadros
>>> Lucinda Batch O-Grady
>>> Charles Butler
>>> Eyasu Tamene
>>> These were the people I recognized immediately by face from on line. It
>>> was so good to be among so many people that are using sign writing even
>>> the face of opposition. I met one professor (name gone) whose doctoral
>>> student is doing a project on keyboarding SignWriting, which I really
>>> believe would be a good thing. I used the SignWriter program in Brazil.
>>> There were so many things that one could do on the old SignWriter
>>> that are awkward to do at best.
>>> Fingerspelling is one, you can't simply TYPE and get fingerspelling, you
>>> have to look up each sign individually. The old interface was better as
>>> could learn to type a sign in at speed without thinking. A mouse you
>>> to look for everything all the time.
>>> We need to really look at all the developments that are happening in
>>> processing and find our way back in new computer languages to our old
>>> Before, with a swipe of a mouse I could change from English to ASL (or
>>> other language) fingerspelling, substitute vocabulary in English
>>> phrase by phrase and eventually end with an ASL sentence in proper
>>> grammatical order.
>>> Can't do that on the computer anymore, everything is mouse-mouse-mouse,
>>> and no interaction between two writing systems. We do it in space, and
>>> paper, we need to be able to do the same thing on computer.
>>> From: Shane K. Gilchrist <shane.gilchrist at GMAIL.COM>
>>> To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU
>>> Sent: Mon, September 27, 2010 1:40:16 AM
>>> Subject: Re: SignWorkshop OASLTA
>>> Don't worry Charles
>>> I used to be one of the skeptics until Belgium's Kathleen & Sara
>>> discreetly introduced me to SW.
>>> The rest is history.
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> On 26 Sep 2010, at 20:45, "Valerie Sutton" <sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG>
>>> > SignWriting List
>>> > September 26, 2010
>>> > Hello Charles!
>>> > First of all, a big hug from me, and a big THANK YOU for being so
>>> > to present at any conference - It takes courage to present in front of
>>> > skeptical audience (if that was what they were...they may not have
>>> > I am sure you did an excellent job and please do not be hard on
>>> > yourself...
>>> > All presentations help SignWriting, no matter what the reaction,
>>> > because people become interested later. Even if they express some
>>> > right now, it is because it is the first time they have heard of it
>>> > all are skeptical about new ideas - but then later, they hear about it
>>> > second time from someone else, and they remember the discussions with
>>> > the first time they heard about it, and they decide to look into it
>>> > now their interest has been stimulated a second time -
>>> > So you have really helped SignWriting no matter what -
>>> > Thank you for telling us about the presentation so quickly after it
>>> > happened -
>>> > And Kelly Jo was there? Wow - that is so great!
>>> > So is there more time at the conference now? It will give you a chance
>>> > to talk to some of the people with questions - don't worry, Charles,
>>> > was a real blessing -
>>> > Val ;-)
>>> > -----
>>> > On Sep 26, 2010, at 5:33 PM, Charles Butler wrote:
>>> >> Well, I presented the workshop but I felt that I fell on my face for
>>> >> the following reasons:
>>> >> 1) Too much information, too little time.
>>> >> 2) Lack of vocabulary, all of the attendees were interpreters AND
>>> >> teachers of the deaf, and my vocabulary was inadequate to the task.
>>> >> should have asked for help from KJ or another interpreter at the
>>> >> 3) I got positive responses from a couple of people, but the most
>>> >> common one was "how many people IN OHIO are using this system", "why
>>> >> MY students have to learn anything else?" Half of them maybe "got
>>> >> the others just kept with questions.
>>> >> 4) I should have simply linked to the website and gone from there as
>>> >> the website is informative, answers most of the common questions, and
>>> >> could have had a Deaf Advocate actually talking to the group.
>>> >> Lessons learned, but I feel very small and inadequate right now.
>>> >> Charles Butler
> Erika Hoffmann-Dilloway
> Assistant Professor of Anthropology
> Oberlin College
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