AW: Puzzled

Stefan Wöhrmann stefanwoehrmann at GOOGLEMAIL.COM
Wed Mar 7 18:31:01 UTC 2012

Hello Valerie, Madson, Charles,... 


Well this is really a challenge to come up with a spelling that allows the
non-informed readerto understand the idea of the scribe – 


First of all – this kind of discussion is not a done in a second ... and
there are definitely some very interesting aspects included which can be the
issue of a two hour lesson. 


I agree that the presentation of the fotos made it much easier to understand
the intention. 


I agree that voting for the Overhead View it is easier to understand the
location and path of the movement  ... on the other hand – now we  focus the
problem to deal with several different point of views (top – down, front,
over-head  ... all at the same time. 


I took some time to rewrite the sign as if my students should read it best. 





I add the nose to the face  ;-))


You see that I changed the right – hand-shape –


Thumb and index fingers are slightly spread – 


Seen from top down this hand shape is far better to understand  compared to
the front view ( which by the way is very confusing in this special case..
but  that is another story and will opten the can of worms again ! ) 


I use the brush-information only once – the two arrows forward indicate the
intention (two times brushing the nose) 


I add the final position. 

I do this very often. From my point of experience this kind of spelling
allows a fast and easy reading without too much guessing.


I like to compare and to study styles of spellings and Madson ... thank you
for this wonderful example of a difficult to write sign!


All the best 





Von: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages
[mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU] Im Auftrag von Valerie Sutton
Gesendet: Montag, 5. März 2012 21:36
Betreff: Re: Puzzled


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March 5, 2012


Hello Madson - Thank you for posting the photos below - that helped so much!


That is a hard sign to write easily -


Just like Charles, when I read the way it was written in SignWriting before,
I did not realize we were dealing with both right and left hands. In a case
like this, I would suggest writing arm lines attached to the two hands in
the beginning
that way there is no doubt for the reader that we are starting
with two hands - 


As you know, SignWriting originally started as a stick-figure writing
system, and in this case, adding arm lines will help the reader, whether you
write from the Front View or the Overhead View


So try writing it again if you can -


Val ;-)




On Mar 5, 2012, at 12:03 PM, Charles Butler wrote:

O sinal gripe suino, sim. Eu nao entende sinal ter com duas maos. Agora e


The sign is swine flu, yes. I did not understand the sign to have two hands.
Now it is clear.


The spelling would be right hand, left hand, head from above, then brush
twice, pinch twice, and move twice. Shouldn't it have two brush marks?  


Charles Butler
chazzer3332000 at
240-764-5748 <x-msg://239/> 
Clear writing moves business forward.




On Mar 5, 2012, at 11:46 AM, Madson Barreto wrote:

Hello Charles!


This signal is not flu. It is "swine flu" (Influenza 'A' - H1N1).

The left hand ("S" - closed fist) touch or stand in front of the nose.

The right hand ("pinch") causes the movement indicated in speeling

See photos.


Write your hands in front of the face of the sign difficult to read, so we
chose to write in Vision Up.




Madson and Raquel Barreto


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