Creating a dictionnary
Jonathan Duncan
duncanjonathan at YAHOO.CA
Fri Oct 4 16:52:41 UTC 2013
On 10/4/2013 10:26 AM, André L wrote:
> Hello Duncan,
>
> thank you for your interest in supporting dictionary generation with
> SignWriter Studio. I like this software a lot.
>
> This is my main interest in sign writing. I whish to support access
> to rich vocabulary for interpreters, parents or hearing educator to
> improve the quality of the communication with deaf people. The second
> aspect is to develop highly technical dictionaries for students and
> interpreters to avoid re-inventing custom signs all the time.
>
> I am a software tester (13 years of experience). Do you want to
> discuss specifications, test case suite... The user guide could be a
> starting point...
Hello André,
Yes I am interested. Let me know what all you have in mind.
Jonathan
>
> It will be important to be able to exclude signs or words from such
> dictionary ( in LSQ sign puddle we have plenty of plural and feminin
> version of the same word and conjugated verbs).
>
>
> André Lemyre
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 09:01:52 -0600
> From: duncanjonathan at YAHOO.CA
> Subject: Re: Creating a dictionnary
> To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
>
> Hi André,
> Way back I wrote a program called ASL List that did exactly what
> you want but it was limited it only had so many signs. So I decided
> to and SignWriting to it and then came about SignWriter Studio.
>
> Presently that feature isn't working but I will work on that next now
> that someone else is also interested!!!
>
> Jonathan
>
> On 10/2/2013 7:09 PM, André L wrote:
>
>
> Hello Valerie,
> I would like to know how to create a paper dictionary (like a
> book) by importing ALL LSQ signs from sign puddle. I could show
> that to collegue students, interpreters and use it myself.
>
> Also, can we develop a technical dictionary (like for a student
> electrician) that will also be part of the main dictionary?
> Would there be a way to gather a pdf subset of the main dictionary
> that the student could share with several interpreters working
> with him-her?
>
> André Lemyre
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 17:30:46 -0700
> From: signwriting at MAC.COM <mailto:signwriting at MAC.COM>
> Subject: Re: Sign puddle online does not translate existing words
> To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
> <mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
>
> SignWriting List
> October 2, 2013
>
> Hello Andre, and Andre, Steve and Jonathan!
>
> So ….we have some wonderful software that needs to be better
> coordinated - but both programs by themselves work well. Right
> now, Steve needs to complete the new SinPuddle 3 and get it
> uploaded, because it also contains new features that everyone
> wants, and it has taken longer than expected to complete the software…
>
> Regarding creating your own dictionaries, there is not only
> SignWriter Studio, but also the PersonalPuddle, and Private Web
> Puddles, and you can also use SignPuddle Online and label your
> signs as yours in the Source and those signs could always be
> transferred to SignWriter Studio maybe? can one reverse the
> process? - ha! In time, all these programs will work well together
> I am sure…both Jonathan and Steve work for very little pay and are
> working hard to make the programs work well -
>
> So for now, I would either use the workaround that Jonathan
> suggested, or edit the signs in SignText, not SignMaker… let me
> test this myself - I am sorry I have not done that yet -
>
> SignBank would not work with this because it has not been updated
> for years but I want to update it in the future -
>
> Val ;-)
>
> ----
>
>
> On Oct 2, 2013, at 5:20 PM, André L <andre-andre at HOTMAIL.CA
> <mailto:andre-andre at HOTMAIL.CA>> wrote:
>
>
> Hello Jonathan,
>
> thank you for the work around.
> I will try it this weekend.
> I will try to contact Steve to assist me because I have over a
> hundred signs to process.
> I have many more signs in draft in SignWriter studio.
>
> Also, I tried sign bank 85 but I could never upload the Québec
> Sign language files I copied from Sign puddle, so I gave up.
> I would have like to build a dictionnary.
>
>
> André Lemyre
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 16:29:30 -0600
> From:duncanjonathan at YAHOO.CA <mailto:duncanjonathan at YAHOO.CA>
> Subject: Re: Sign puddle online does not translate existing words
> To:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
> <mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
>
> Hi Andre,
> When exporting from SignWriter Studio to Sign Puddle there
> is no way to directly to a SignMaker entry. This is a
> limitation of SignPuddle. I have run into this limitation
> myself personally trying to add and modify sign to the puddle
> from SignWriter Studio. SignPuddle doesn't yet have adequate
> import/export or synching capabilities. I have written to
> Steve about it but he hasn't been able to make it a priority yet.
> If you just have a few signs then this is they way to do it.
>
> 1. In SignWriter Studio when positioned on the sign, click
> Edit/Copy/Copy Sign to Sign Puddle or press Ctrl-Alt-C.
> It shows the sign in SignPuddle in your browser.
> 2. Click on the puddle you want to save to.
> 3. In Terms type "temp"
> 4. Click Add
> 5. Click Copy Sign From SignText
> 6. Click Copy Sign
> 7. Click on SignPuddle you want to save to
> 8. In Terms type in the term for the sign
> 9. Click Add
> 10. Click on Search by Words or Search by Signs
> 11. In Terms and Titles type "temp"
> 12. Click on temp
> 13. Click Delete Entry
> 14. Click Delete Entry
>
>
>
> Otherwise you might ask Steve if you export to an SPML file if
> he can add them for you.
>
> I hope his helps
>
> Regards,
> Jonathan
>
> On 10/2/2013 11:41 AM, Valerie Sutton wrote:
>
> SignWriting List
> October 2, 2013
>
> Andre, Steve, Charles and Jonathan -
>
> No worries everyone. Thank you for your messages. And
> thank you for bringing this issue up, which as far as I
> know, from my experience, is specific between the two
> programs: SignWriter Studio and SignPuddle. I noticed this
> issue myself a long time ago and did mention it once to
> Jonathan, but there is so much to do it got sidetracked.
> It seems that exporting signs from the SignWriter Studio
> dictionary end up as SignText in SignPuddle instead of
> dictionary entries…so the signs are not made with
> SignMaker, but instead with SignWriter Studio's
> dictionary, but they need to end up as the equivalent to
> signs made with SignMaker… not as SignText …so we need
> both Jonathan's and Steve's help with this one -
>
> Thank you, Andre, by the way, for your documents - they
> are charming! And thank you for pointing this out to us -
>
> Val ;-)
>
> --------
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 2, 2013, at 10:11 AM, Charles Butler
> <chazzer3332000 at YAHOO.COM
> <mailto:chazzer3332000 at YAHOO.COM>> wrote:
>
> IF this does not work from a compatible program then
> the compatibility program of the major SignWriting
> programs need to all be made compatible. I know that
> this is a challenge, but making a new signwriting
> translator without a compatibility check seems a
> little futile. If the main database can't retrieve the
> words, then the point of Open Source is not being
> fulfilled.
>
> To do Open Source means that all output from a given
> input must be compatible to the central databank, in
> the case, SignBank, SignPuddle, and all of those
> others created.
>
> Is it not part of the spec of importing signs? Is
> there not a command to say "which of the following
> compatible programs are you using to import to
> SignPuddle?" "have you contact Steve Slevinski to
> ensure that the program will in fact import your signs
> in a form that is acceptable to the data retrieval
> function."
>
> Else, it is a very large learning curve.
> Charles Butler
> chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com <mailto:chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com>
> 240-764-5748
> Clear writing moves business forward.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:*Stephen E Slevinski Jr <slevin at SIGNPUDDLE.NET
> <mailto:slevin at SIGNPUDDLE.NET>>
> *To:*SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
> <mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
> *Sent:*Wednesday, October 2, 2013 1:03 PM
> *Subject:*Re: Sign puddle online does not translate
> existing words
>
>
> On 10/2/13 11:37 AM, André L wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Many of the words I entered in sign puddle using
> sign studio are not displayed in the translate
> feature.
> Only the words are displayed without sign.
> However, with a seach on the same words, the sign
> is displayed.
>
> Hi Andre,
>
> The translate feature works with individual signs that
> were created in SignMaker.
>
> The translate feature does not work with sign texts
> that were created with SignText.
>
> Looking at the "assis" entry:
> http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/canvas.php?ui=1&sgn=47&sid=4400
>
>
>
> The sign is boxed and a lower font size. This
> indicates it was created with SignText. Under the
> "Source", you can see the "SignText data" links. This
> sign will not work in the current translate.
>
> Here is "assistant" in the same dictionary.
>
>
>
> Notice that it is not boxed and a larger font size.
> This indicates is was created with SignMaker. Under
> the "Search.." links, you can see the "Sign data"
> links. This sign will work in translate.
>
>
> So that's the problem. You say you created this with
> "sign studio". Are you talking about Jonathan's
> SignWriter Studio? Or did you use SignText?
>
> The solution is to move the signs from the sign text
> area to individual signs. I'm not sure the best way
> to do this.
>
> How many entries are like this?
>
> Regards,
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