Technical dictionaries
Jonathan Duncan
duncanjonathan at YAHOO.CA
Thu Oct 10 15:05:28 UTC 2013
Hi Val,
On 10/10/2013 8:55 AM, Valerie Sutton wrote:
> SignWriting List
> October 10, 2013
>
> Hello Jonathan!
> This is very exciting indeed. If I understand this correctly, when
> people enter new signs in the dictionary in SignWriter Studio, they
> will be able to associate the sign with different Sign Lists…for
> example, the sign for CHAIR could be in the Sign Lists for FURNITURE
> and HOUSEHOLD. So each sign could belong to multiple Sign Lists. Then
> the user chooses the Sign List FURNITURE, and the sign for CHAIR will
> be listed there with other signs for furniture.
Yes, that's right!!
> Then the user can print the Sign List. Can the PDF automatically place
> a title at the top saying something like "Signs for Furniture in
> _______Sign Language" , with page numbers?
Yes good idea!!! Thank you for the feedback.
>
> Can signs from SignPuddle be imported into the SignWriter Studio
> dictionary?
Yes.
Create or open a SignWriter Studio File.
Click on File/Import
Choose the file previously saved from SignPuddle under the Export option.
Regards,
Jonathan
>
> Val ;-)
>
> --------
>
>
> On Oct 10, 2013, at 7:29 AM, Jonathan Duncan <duncanjonathan at YAHOO.CA
> <mailto:duncanjonathan at YAHOO.CA>> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> please feel free to give point of view and suggestions.
>>
>> Hello André
>> This is a revised list of functionality for making technical
>> dictionaries for printout from the entries in the current SignWriter
>> Studio Dictionary from our emails off the list. We could call these
>> technical dictionaries "Sign Lists" or "Glossaries" or "Topics".
>> Look forward to input from members on the list.
>>
>> Features for first version
>>
>> * Create a new window to show the list of signs in for each "Sign
>> List".
>> *
>> * Click on Add Sign will bring up the Dictionary which can be
>> searched, then the signs selected to be added to the current
>> "Sign List".
>> * Sign Lists automatically saved to Dictionary file.
>> * Can select paper size.
>> * Print Layout
>> o Two columns
>> o Words (gloss) at the top of each entry in bold
>> o SignWriting, with Illustration of what it is beside it.
>> o Keep all entries together, not split across two pages.
>> o Shrink SignWriting and Illustration if they don't fit the
>> column width
>> o Signs sorted by word (gloss)
>> o Roman numeral page numbering
>>
>> Possible future features
>>
>> * Screen paging. The complete list would not be loaded, at most 100
>> at a time to not overload the memory.
>> * In the Dictionary add a place for full spoken language description.
>> * Option to printout or not description
>> * Option to printout secondary language also (bilingual option
>> example English and French along with the sign)
>> * Option to split output into several files. There may be a problem
>> with PDF: with 10 signs per page we have 800 pages of ASL
>> dictionary full of drawings and several pictures. Low resolution
>> sign images are required. It may be problematic to load 800
>> pages in adobe to see 1 single word... Possibly split the
>> dictionary in 5 or 24 documents.
>> * Extra pages either make them or option to include pre-made pages
>> in PDF.
>> o The user should be able to create a cover page with text of
>> several lines, and image, several line.
>> o Second page, the editor name, the date, copyright to Valerie
>> and you and pointer to internet sites.
>> o Several pages of introduction text prior to the dictionary
>> itself.
>> * Possible a table of content or pointers to jump to a chosen
>> letter (table of content being undefined until the page count is
>> completed).
>> * Possibly the first word of each page in the top left corner to
>> browse fast through a paper document.
>> * Sort signs by Symbol
>>
>> Let me know your thoughts and suggestions.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Jonathan
>>
>> On 10/4/2013 10:26 AM, André L wrote:
>>> Hello Duncan,
>>>
>>> thank you for your interest in supporting dictionary generation with
>>> SignWriter Studio. I like this software a lot.
>>>
>>> This is my main interest in sign writing. I whish to support access
>>> to rich vocabulary for interpreters, parents or hearing educator to
>>> improve the quality of the communication with deaf people. The
>>> second aspect is to develop highly technical dictionaries for
>>> students and interpreters to avoid re-inventing custom signs all the
>>> time.
>>>
>>> I am a software tester (13 years of experience). Do you want to
>>> discuss specifications, test case suite... The user guide could be
>>> a starting point...
>>>
>>> It will be important to be able to exclude signs or words from such
>>> dictionary ( in LSQ sign puddle we have plenty of plural and feminin
>>> version of the same word and conjugated verbs).
>>>
>>>
>>> André Lemyre
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 09:01:52 -0600
>>> From: duncanjonathan at YAHOO.CA
>>> Subject: Re: Creating a dictionnary
>>> To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
>>>
>>> Hi André,
>>> Way back I wrote a program called ASL List that did exactly what
>>> you want but it was limited it only had so many signs. So I decided
>>> to and SignWriting to it and then came about SignWriter Studio.
>>>
>>> Presently that feature isn't working but I will work on that next
>>> now that someone else is also interested!!!
>>>
>>> Jonathan
>>>
>>> On 10/2/2013 7:09 PM, André L wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello Valerie,
>>> I would like to know how to create a paper dictionary (like a
>>> book) by importing ALL LSQ signs from sign puddle. I could show
>>> that to collegue students, interpreters and use it myself.
>>>
>>> Also, can we develop a technical dictionary (like for a student
>>> electrician) that will also be part of the main dictionary?
>>> Would there be a way to gather a pdf subset of the
>>> main dictionary that the student could share with several
>>> interpreters working with him-her?
>>>
>>> André Lemyre
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 17:30:46 -0700
>>> From: signwriting at MAC.COM <mailto:signwriting at MAC.COM>
>>> Subject: Re: Sign puddle online does not translate existing words
>>> To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
>>> <mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
>>>
>>> SignWriting List
>>> October 2, 2013
>>>
>>> Hello Andre, and Andre, Steve and Jonathan!
>>>
>>> So ….we have some wonderful software that needs to be better
>>> coordinated - but both programs by themselves work well. Right
>>> now, Steve needs to complete the new SinPuddle 3 and get it
>>> uploaded, because it also contains new features that everyone
>>> wants, and it has taken longer than expected to complete the
>>> software…
>>>
>>> Regarding creating your own dictionaries, there is not only
>>> SignWriter Studio, but also the PersonalPuddle, and Private Web
>>> Puddles, and you can also use SignPuddle Online and label your
>>> signs as yours in the Source and those signs could always be
>>> transferred to SignWriter Studio maybe? can one reverse the
>>> process? - ha! In time, all these programs will work well
>>> together I am sure…both Jonathan and Steve work for very little
>>> pay and are working hard to make the programs work well -
>>>
>>> So for now, I would either use the workaround that Jonathan
>>> suggested, or edit the signs in SignText, not SignMaker… let me
>>> test this myself - I am sorry I have not done that yet -
>>>
>>> SignBank would not work with this because it has not been
>>> updated for years but I want to update it in the future -
>>>
>>> Val ;-)
>>>
>>> ----
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 2, 2013, at 5:20 PM, André L <andre-andre at HOTMAIL.CA
>>> <mailto:andre-andre at HOTMAIL.CA>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello Jonathan,
>>>
>>> thank you for the work around.
>>> I will try it this weekend.
>>> I will try to contact Steve to assist me because I have over
>>> a hundred signs to process.
>>> I have many more signs in draft in SignWriter studio.
>>>
>>> Also, I tried sign bank 85 but I could never upload the
>>> Québec Sign language files I copied from Sign puddle, so I
>>> gave up. I would have like to build a dictionnary.
>>>
>>>
>>> André Lemyre
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 16:29:30 -0600
>>> From:duncanjonathan at YAHOO.CA <mailto:duncanjonathan at YAHOO.CA>
>>> Subject: Re: Sign puddle online does not translate existing
>>> words
>>> To:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
>>> <mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
>>>
>>> Hi Andre,
>>> When exporting from SignWriter Studio to Sign Puddle
>>> there is no way to directly to a SignMaker entry. This is a
>>> limitation of SignPuddle. I have run into this limitation
>>> myself personally trying to add and modify sign to the
>>> puddle from SignWriter Studio. SignPuddle doesn't yet have
>>> adequate import/export or synching capabilities. I have
>>> written to Steve about it but he hasn't been able to make it
>>> a priority yet.
>>> If you just have a few signs then this is they way to do it.
>>>
>>> 1. In SignWriter Studio when positioned on the sign, click
>>> Edit/Copy/Copy Sign to Sign Puddle or press Ctrl-Alt-C.
>>> It shows the sign in SignPuddle in your browser.
>>> 2. Click on the puddle you want to save to.
>>> 3. In Terms type "temp"
>>> 4. Click Add
>>> 5. Click Copy Sign From SignText
>>> 6. Click Copy Sign
>>> 7. Click on SignPuddle you want to save to
>>> 8. In Terms type in the term for the sign
>>> 9. Click Add
>>> 10. Click on Search by Words or Search by Signs
>>> 11. In Terms and Titles type "temp"
>>> 12. Click on temp
>>> 13. Click Delete Entry
>>> 14. Click Delete Entry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Otherwise you might ask Steve if you export to an SPML file
>>> if he can add them for you.
>>>
>>> I hope his helps
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Jonathan
>>>
>>> On 10/2/2013 11:41 AM, Valerie Sutton wrote:
>>>
>>> SignWriting List
>>> October 2, 2013
>>>
>>> Andre, Steve, Charles and Jonathan -
>>>
>>> No worries everyone. Thank you for your messages. And
>>> thank you for bringing this issue up, which as far as I
>>> know, from my experience, is specific between the two
>>> programs: SignWriter Studio and SignPuddle. I noticed
>>> this issue myself a long time ago and did mention it
>>> once to Jonathan, but there is so much to do it got
>>> sidetracked. It seems that exporting signs from the
>>> SignWriter Studio dictionary end up as SignText in
>>> SignPuddle instead of dictionary entries…so the signs
>>> are not made with SignMaker, but instead with SignWriter
>>> Studio's dictionary, but they need to end up as the
>>> equivalent to signs made with SignMaker… not as SignText
>>> …so we need both Jonathan's and Steve's help with this one -
>>>
>>> Thank you, Andre, by the way, for your documents - they
>>> are charming! And thank you for pointing this out to us -
>>>
>>> Val ;-)
>>>
>>> --------
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 2, 2013, at 10:11 AM, Charles Butler
>>> <chazzer3332000 at YAHOO.COM
>>> <mailto:chazzer3332000 at YAHOO.COM>> wrote:
>>>
>>> IF this does not work from a compatible program then
>>> the compatibility program of the major SignWriting
>>> programs need to all be made compatible. I know that
>>> this is a challenge, but making a new signwriting
>>> translator without a compatibility check seems a
>>> little futile. If the main database can't retrieve
>>> the words, then the point of Open Source is not
>>> being fulfilled.
>>>
>>> To do Open Source means that all output from a given
>>> input must be compatible to the central databank, in
>>> the case, SignBank, SignPuddle, and all of those
>>> others created.
>>>
>>> Is it not part of the spec of importing signs? Is
>>> there not a command to say "which of the following
>>> compatible programs are you using to import to
>>> SignPuddle?" "have you contact Steve Slevinski to
>>> ensure that the program will in fact import your
>>> signs in a form that is acceptable to the data
>>> retrieval function."
>>>
>>> Else, it is a very large learning curve.
>>> Charles Butler
>>> chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com
>>> <mailto:chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com>
>>> 240-764-5748
>>> Clear writing moves business forward.
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> *From:*Stephen E Slevinski Jr <slevin at SIGNPUDDLE.NET
>>> <mailto:slevin at SIGNPUDDLE.NET>>
>>> *To:*SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
>>> <mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
>>> *Sent:*Wednesday, October 2, 2013 1:03 PM
>>> *Subject:*Re: Sign puddle online does not translate
>>> existing words
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/2/13 11:37 AM, André L wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Many of the words I entered in sign puddle using
>>> sign studio are not displayed in the translate
>>> feature.
>>> Only the words are displayed without sign.
>>> However, with a seach on the same words, the
>>> sign is displayed.
>>>
>>> Hi Andre,
>>>
>>> The translate feature works with individual signs
>>> that were created in SignMaker.
>>>
>>> The translate feature does not work with sign texts
>>> that were created with SignText.
>>>
>>> Looking at the "assis" entry:
>>> http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/canvas.php?ui=1&sgn=47&sid=4400
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The sign is boxed and a lower font size. This
>>> indicates it was created with SignText. Under the
>>> "Source", you can see the "SignText data" links.
>>> This sign will not work in the current translate.
>>>
>>> Here is "assistant" in the same dictionary.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Notice that it is not boxed and a larger font size.
>>> This indicates is was created with SignMaker. Under
>>> the "Search.." links, you can see the "Sign data"
>>> links. This sign will work in translate.
>>>
>>>
>>> So that's the problem. You say you created this
>>> with "sign studio". Are you talking about
>>> Jonathan's SignWriter Studio? Or did you use SignText?
>>>
>>> The solution is to move the signs from the sign text
>>> area to individual signs. I'm not sure the best way
>>> to do this.
>>>
>>> How many entries are like this?
>>>
>>> Regards,
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