AW: AW: Heel of Hand or Top View

Sat Sep 21 08:10:09 UTC 2013

Hi Valerie, Adam, Jonathan... 

For some reason it is fun to discuss this kind of point of view  I know
that the masters of the software are in the position to define the look
of a symbol and compared to handwriting it would cause major trouble to
change anything... I know that ... and I can live and work with the symbol
set as it is  smile  (I do not have to use the symbols I feel not
comfortable with  and that is the way I write my documents.)   On the other
hand ... compared to the look of the symbols  in the Lessons in SignWring
Textbook and Workbook  second Edition 1999  there has been a change in the
presentation of some symbols. I bet that some of these changes could be
discussed ...   But since the software  programmers all over the world work
with the given symbol set we would get in trouble if anyone ...well ..ok,,,,
Hi Valerie I understand your point of view that things (symbols) are now as
they  are... smile. 

Nevertheless  would be interesting  apart from that to have a second look
at what is taken for granted ... 

The inventor of a symbol might be so focused on his/her   option that other
ideas, opinions, point of views might only confuse or cause trouble? 

You know my enthusiasm for SW and it is not on my mind to bother anybody
with comments ...but it is fun to look at spellings and writing styles in a
very precice manner ;-)) 

So Adam: 

I looked at your list of the 5 hand's heel view palm facings that relate to
the 5 hand symbol.  and compared the heel view  symbols  to the Top
view  symbols wich are used by me all the time ;-)

Your number 4 counting from left makes me hesitate ...same with the last one
... 

Even though I understand your idea behind this I would prefer to see the
thumb  sticking out at a place that shows without too much guessing which
hand (right or left) is  chosen. 

In this case I read the two lines  as this: 

right  right right right left left left left

right  right right left left left left right

I have to leave but will return to our discussion as soon as I will be back.

Have a great weekend.

Stefan  

  _____  

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[mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU] Im Auftrag von Adam Frost
Gesendet: Samstag, 21. September 2013 00:21
An: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
Betreff: Re: AW: Heel of Hand or Top View

Below is a list of the 5 hand's heel view palm facings that relate to the 5
hand symbol. 

<http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?font=png1&size=1&panel
=D30x53_M15x29S14d10n15xn9>
<http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?font=png1&size=1&panel
=D18x53_M9x35S14d12n9xn15>
<http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?font=png1&size=1&panel
=D30x53_M15x29S14d14n15xn9>
<http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?font=png1&size=1&panel
=D18x53_M9x35S14d16n9xn15>
<http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?font=png1&size=1&panel
=D30x53_M15x29S14d18n15xn9>
<http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?font=png1&size=1&panel
=D18x53_M9x35S14d1an9xn15>
<http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?font=png1&size=1&panel
=D30x53_M15x29S14d1cn15xn9>
<http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?font=png1&size=1&panel
=D18x53_M9x35S14d1en9xn15> 

<http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?font=png1&size=1&panel
=D24x53_M12x35S14c30n12xn15>
<http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?font=png1&size=1&panel
=D24x53_M12x35S14c40n12xn15>
<http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?font=png1&size=1&panel
=D24x53_M12x35S14c50n12xn15>
<http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?font=png1&size=1&panel
=D24x53_M12x35S14c48n12xn15>
<http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?font=png1&size=1&panel
=D24x53_M12x35S14c38n12xn15>
<http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?font=png1&size=1&panel
=D24x53_M12x35S14c48n12xn15>
<http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?font=png1&size=1&panel
=D24x53_M12x35S14c58n12xn15>
<http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?font=png1&size=1&panel
=D24x53_M12x35S14c40n12xn15> 

There are only 7 heel of hands in the current ISWA 2010. Here they are with
their respected hand symbols.

<http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?font=png1&size=1&panel
=D30x53_M15x29S14d10n15xn9>
<http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?font=png1&size=1&panel
=D30x53_M15x28S14f10n15xn8>
<http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?font=png1&size=1&panel
=D29x53_M14x28S15110n14xn8>
<http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?font=png1&size=1&panel
=D20x53_M10x24S15c10n10xn4>
<http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?font=png1&size=1&panel
=D27x53_M13x25S15e10n13xn5>
<http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?font=png1&size=1&panel
=D24x53_M12x25S1f610n12xn5>
<http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?font=png1&size=1&panel
=D15x53_M7x25S20410n7xn5> 

<http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?font=png1&size=1&panel
=D24x53_M12x35S14c30n12xn15>
<http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?font=png1&size=1&panel
=D26x53_M13x35S14e30n13xn15>
<http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?font=png1&size=1&panel
=D26x53_M13x35S15030n13xn15>
<http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?font=png1&size=1&panel
=D12x53_M6x33S15a30n6xn13>
<http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?font=png1&size=1&panel
=D19x53_M9x33S15d30n9xn13>
<http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?font=png1&size=1&panel
=D24x53_M12x27S1f530n12xn7>
<http://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/glyphogram.php?font=png1&size=1&panel
=D15x53_M7x27S20330n7xn7> 

I didn't go through all of the palm facings as it is the same as the list at
the top. It should be noted that there are possibilities that people will
write the between rotations of the heel of hand as either facings they are
between, since you are looking to make searching for writings of the same
sign with different symbols. ;-)

Adam

PS Val and I were talking about saying that there is the front view, the top
view, and then a heel view because it isn't really only the top view or the
front view but a view of its own that has a feel of both views in how they
are written.

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