Ordering Signs in Dictionaries

Wed Aug 20 16:08:29 UTC 2014

SignWriting List
August 20, 2014

Thank you, Charles, for this positive message, which does mean a lot to me…

As you can also see by my previous message, there have been others, like Ingvild, and yourself, and Adam and Steve and Jonathan and so many writers and programmers, who are all influencing our ever-evolving writing system…so keep up the good work!

I am sorry you have had to re-do your work, but I am in the same position - I would like to bring out SignBank Databases again someday, but will need a little funding (not a lot) to update to the latest FileMaker program, and to re-hire the programmer Todd to get the import feature to work so we can import signs from SignPuddle and SignWriter Studio, and then I will need to devote around month’s work to get SignBank working with the ISWA 2010 to coordinate with the programs SignPuddle and SignWriter Studio - so it can certainly be done and then you would have a tool to play with and create printed PDFs of dictionaries sorted…

But it is better that you use SignPuddle. Thanks to Steve Slevinski’s hard work and expertise, Steve has given us the SignSpelling Column feature, and SignPuddle sorts by the symbols of the ISWA 2010, so right now SignPuddle Online is already giving you what you need, Charles -

I agree with you that you need a private puddle to do your sorting routines because the public SignPuddles have different contributors and we may not be sorting exactly the way you would do it - so for you to really test your theories of sorting, you will need your own private puddle -

Let me talk to Steve about this and we will get back to you -

Blessings -

Val ;-)

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On Aug 19, 2014, at 2:21 PM, Charles Butler <chazzer3332000 at YAHOO.COM> wrote:

> Valerie, you are a wonder and a marvel, this is very close to what I was doing with my manual sorting and is probably closer than I ever was able to show in the seminar. I'm on Chapter 3 of redoing my very first attempt at a completely sorted dictionary, your project makes it ubiquitous, everyone just has to actually input a fully spelled sequence when they put in an entry. 
> 
> If I were to get a private puddle for both ASL and LIBRAS I could take the time to go through all 5000 signs and order them as a demonstration. They each have slightly different symbol sets (at least in the attestations), so it would show where some differences will grow over time. 
> 
> Thanks for this. 
>  
> Charles Butler
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> 240-764-5748
> Clear writing moves business forward.
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> From: Valerie Sutton <signwriting at MAC.COM>
> To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 3:52 PM
> Subject: Re: Ordering Signs in Dictionaries
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> SignWriting List
> August 18, 2014
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> Here is a picture of some of the features of SignBank, which requires that the signs are written in another program like SignPuddle or SignWriter Studio, and then imported into the SignBank database, that is designed inside FileMaker database software.
> 
> Through developing SignBank, and working with so many great people, we learned that it really is necessary to have two sections to the process of sorting dictionaries:
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> 1. Each sign needs a SignSpelling Sequence established by the writer
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> 2. Then the SignSpelling Sequences are sorted by the “alphabetical order” of the symbols of the ISWA 2010…
> 
> Without those two processes, we cannot get a dictionary sorted by Sign Symbols that really works for users -
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> Of course both SignPuddle and SignWriter Studio, and other programs too, can do this without our old SignBank database, but SignBank is also a cool little program and could be updated and completed and be a valuable tool for teachers - 
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> <SignBank-Database.jpg>
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> 
> So I learned a lot from SignBank, trying to create PDFs of dictionaries sorted by Sign Symbols - I was surprised at the results of some choices - more soon -
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> Val ;-)
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