Animations to teach signwriting
Jonathan Duncan
duncanjonathan at YAHOO.CA
Thu Jan 9 12:58:36 UTC 2014
Hi Andre,
SignWriter Studio can change the size of symbols within a sign. I
believe that SignPuddle does not have that feature.
Jonathan
On 1/8/2014 12:20 PM, André L wrote:
> It is an excellent example.
>
> The only concept I would add is shrinking hands size to represent
> hands moving away from the body.
>
> Also, it is a good example of a continuous animation made of many
> images to represent a single movement. It is longer to develop than
> my slide show animations with a start-midle -end hand position.
> Transitions between images is faster. It could display a clear
> distinction between slow and fast hand motions in a sign.
>
> We would need to measure the different in preparation time to see if
> it is a burden or not for a large scale project with little automated
> support. It may be a little more effort to code an automated tool to
> generate continuous animations.
>
> The fundamental question for me is: "For Deaf person who has 30
> minutes to read an animated text on a technical subject for work (like
> wiki-sign), what is the format they prefer: natural or concise?".
>
>
> About facial expressions, in LSQ, most of the deaf people I met
> perform oralization for lips reader and sign disambiguation. In LSQ
> sign puddle dictionnary we do not have this.
>
> André Lemyre
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 09:50:30 -0800
> From: signwriting at MAC.COM
> Subject: Re: Animations to teach signwriting
> To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
>
> SignWriting List
> January 8, 2013
>
> Maybe some of the old animations can be used as a guide to the future
> ones?…. most avatars do not include the facial expressions needed to
> really animate signs and sign-sentences - maybe the new avatars do,
> but in the past that had not been developed enough yet -
>
> Here is Stefan’s sentence with facial expressions...
>
>
> http://www.movementwriting.org/animation
>
>
>
> On Jan 8, 2014, at 9:43 AM, Dale Archuleta <freddyfingaz83 at YAHOO.COM
> <mailto:freddyfingaz83 at YAHOO.COM>> wrote:
>
> Yes, it sound like we will need to developing "Animated
> Signwriting Creator" software where it automatically set up rules
> and grids template screen to positioning loops cycle for us to
> follow to prevent errors. And capacity to format transparent
> background
>
> Dale Archuleta
>
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>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:*André L <andre-andre at HOTMAIL.CA
> <mailto:andre-andre at HOTMAIL.CA>>;
> *To:*<SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
> <mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>>;
> *Subject:*Re: Animations to teach signwriting
> *Sent:*Wed, Jan 8, 2014 5:25:35 PM
>
> I agree with you that mixing signwriting and videos will become an
> habit in some future. The need cannot be delayed, we would have
> to redo much work.
>
> The template window frame for the gif may be big. We must allow
> the character to extend left and right arms. That would make a
> huge white square on top of a video. Transparency would hide less
> of the content.
> Another example would be animated cartoons.
>
> André Lemyre
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 07:31:07 -0800
> From:freddyfingaz83 at YAHOO.COM <mailto:freddyfingaz83 at YAHOO.COM>
> Subject: Re: Animations to teach signwriting
> To:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
> <mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
>
> Andre Lemyre
>
> There are several reasons why transparent background is needed but
> it is not required. One of examples, if I want to put animated
> signwriting on the pictures or videos on fixed opacity transparent
> background to easy on eyes comfort to reading without colors
> inpurterted matched colors. It would be lot of work if I have to
> modify GIFS personally. I'm sure some of people has other reasons.
>
> Dale Archuleta
>
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>
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> *From:*André L <andre-andre at HOTMAIL.CA
> <mailto:andre-andre at HOTMAIL.CA>>;
> *To:*<SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
> <mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>>;
> *Subject:*Re: Animations to teach signwriting
> *Sent:*Wed, Jan 8, 2014 12:15:57 PM
>
> Do you have an example of a need to overlay a sign to something else?
> I think that I saw a free gif animator 10 years ago that supported
> transparent beackground.
> I will do a research.
>
> André Lemyre
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 21:03:14 -0800
> From:freddyfingaz83 at YAHOO.COM <mailto:freddyfingaz83 at YAHOO.COM>
> Subject: Re: Animations to teach signwriting
> To:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
> <mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
>
> Hello
>
> I understood most Editors programs doesn't supports transparent
> backgrounds. I feel its very important to have entirely
> transparent background because it's able to overlays anything
> without modification.
>
> Dale Archuleta
>
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> *From:*André L <andre-andre at HOTMAIL.CA
> <mailto:andre-andre at HOTMAIL.CA>>;
> *To:*<SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
> <mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>>;
> *Subject:*Re: Animations to teach signwriting
> *Sent:*Wed, Jan 8, 2014 4:23:30 AM
>
> Hello,
> I agree with a reserve.
> We may want the white surfaces of the hands and the face to remain
> white if we display the animation on a coloured background. Also,
> in my first attempts I used Microsoft paint, which does not
> support transparent background. Considering that dictionnaries
> have between 1000 and 5000 words, and there are several
> contributors, we need to ensure ease of creation to make this
> project grow. Standards will be important to avoid redoing the
> work when someone finds a better way to proceed.
>
> Also, I will contact soon the tunisian team who worked on an
> avatar that translates SignWriting in a 3D animation. I would
> start with Yosra Bouzid and Mohamed Jemni.
> http://tiger.uvt.nl/pdf/papers/bouzid.pdf
> http://www.utic.rnu.tn/francais/websign.html
>
> Conceptually, our doing gif animation is a subset of what the
> avatar does in an automated manner. The avatar may be able to
> write the gif animations in an automated manner on a large scale.
> I such scenario would happen, our best input may become to
> increase the dictionnaries size to "feed" the avatar or to help it
> with directional words (example: I give you, you give me).
> Concertation will be important before going any further.
> André Lemyre
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 19:39:37 -0800
> From:freddyfingaz83 at YAHOO.COM <mailto:freddyfingaz83 at YAHOO.COM>
> Subject: Re: Animations to teach signwriting
> To:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
> <mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
>
> I also agreed rules needs to be applied before processing the
> animated dictionary. Such as size, resolute, aligned positioning,
> etc... I would like offer to add other rule. All GIFS should have
> transparent backgrounds. In a case, we will not need to reformat
> entire dictionary in future use.
>
> Dale Archuleta
>
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>
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> *From:*André L <andre-andre at HOTMAIL.CA
> <mailto:andre-andre at HOTMAIL.CA>>;
> *To:*<SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
> <mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>>;
> *Subject:*Re: Animations to teach signwriting
> *Sent:*Tue, Jan 7, 2014 1:57:39 AM
>
> Hello Jonathan and Valerie,
>
> I would prefer to have the animations with the regular
> dictionaries , just like the optional illustration or video but
> distinct.
> In a distant future, the translate feature could concatenate the
> animations in long stories.
>
> I will spend some time preparing samples of animations to see how
> symbols could be used (good and bad examples). I will provide
> several alternatives for people to compare. I will make a
> document to open a discussion establish some standards (not my
> personal preferences). We do not want an animation of several
> words being misaligned, shrinking and growing with blinking fuzzy
> heads with several file formats and resolution.
>
> We will need the opinion of Deaf people, programmers, teachers,
> SignWriters, children and teenagers for an acceptance test.
> Speed will be an issue, I expect Deaf people and fluent
> signwriters to prefer fast videos (i.e. at a signing speed) while
> beginners will be lost.
>
> André Lemyre
>
>
>
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> Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 17:34:07 -0800
> From:signwriting at MAC.COM <mailto:signwriting at MAC.COM>
> Subject: Re: Animations to teach signwriting
> To:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
> <mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
>
> SignWriting List
> January 6, 2014
>
> Thank you, Jonathan!
>
> Val ;-)
>
> ——
>
>
> On Jan 6, 2014, at 4:27 PM, Jonathan Duncan
> <duncanjonathan at yahoo.ca <mailto:duncanjonathan at yahoo.ca>> wrote:
>
> Hi Val,
> With a few small modifications SignWriter Studio should be
> able to store and display animated GIFs. Sounds like an
> exciting project!!:-)
> I would be glad to update SignWriter Studio so that it have
> the animations.
> Jonathan
>
> On 1/6/2014 4:01 PM, Valerie Sutton wrote:
>
> SignWriting List
> January 6, 2014
>
> Hello André!
> Thank you for this message and for the attached PowerPoint
> - It is good to know that PowerPoint can accept animated
> GIFs. It looks great!
>
> I agree that animated SignWriting is valuable as an
> educational tool…I think others agree too -
>
> Would you, or anyone else, be interested in working on a
> new project…an Animated SignWriting Dictionary on the web?
>
> Take a look at this web page:
>
> http://www.movementwriting.org/animation/sgn-US/
>
> It is a simple page that shows the sign written in
> SignWriting, and to the right of the sign, is the animated
> version of it…
>
> We could have an entire site devoted to this Animated
> SignWriting Dictionary and Animated SignWriting Literature
> idea…
>
> It could be a relaxed project for fun with no deadlines or
> any pressure at all (I do not like deadlines or pressure ;-)
>
> Just whenever the whim hits, do a few animations, and save
> them in a file. Then we can post them in a new site...
>
> The project could be done for any sign language, and
> essentially be like a SignPuddle Online but for animated
> signs -
>
> And that brings up the next question….Steve and
> Jonathan…could SignPuddle and SignWriter Studio store
> animated GIFs?
>
> Val ;-)
>
> -------
>
>
> On Jan 6, 2014, at 9:50 AM, André L
> <andre-andre at hotmail.ca <mailto:andre-andre at hotmail.ca>>
> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> Animations might be an intuitive way to teach
> signwriting to deaf children.
> It uses their knowledge of sign language.
> The movements make the writing more intuitive, closer
> to their experience.
> There are less symbols to read at once.
> It is easy to display on a screen, a computer or on paper.
> A teacher can write on a slide with the mouse during
> the class.
> It is possible to create a power point show (does not
> require power point to be displayed).
>
> Here is an example of one animated word. It could be
> a sentence, a small movie...
>
>
> André Lemyre
>
>
>
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