[Sw-l] The "Rand-Keyboard" How to start

Sun Aug 2 15:39:25 UTC 2015

SignWriting List
August 2, 2015

Thank you for these positive messages, Stefan and André.

We are all blessed to know each other…and to have something creative to do…

And now with texting on phones and tablets, not everyone in the spoken language world can type quickly in spoken language…typing keeps changing in all languages…

Plus there is always new software being developed for written sign and spoken languages that changes things…

plus people write by hand everyday…

So it is all good ;-)

Val ;-)

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> On Aug 2, 2015, at 6:17 AM, André Thibeault <atg at VIDEOTRON.CA> wrote:
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> Hi Stefan and everyone,
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> Stefan:  thank you so much for your answer.  I am sorry that you feel blessed.  Please forgive me.
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> Best regards,
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> De : Stefan Wöhrmann <stefanwoehrmann at GOOGLEMAIL.COM <mailto:stefanwoehrmann at GOOGLEMAIL.COM>>
> Répondre à : "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU <mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>>
> Date : Sun, 02 Aug 2015 13:43:00 +0200
> À : <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU <mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>>
> Objet : AW: The "Rand-Keyboard" How to start
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> Hi André and everyone, 
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> well you ask me whether I am able to write a sentence or even more with the SW-DOS Keyboard... 
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> My answer to your question is “YES, I can”  smile  But it takes time... and that is my problem.
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> I became an expert on writing documents with this programm. And in addition to that I have to explain that I wrote one entry after the other in order to create a dictionary to work with. 
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> So in the end ..I would not want to type any document sign by sign from scratch .again (!!!) ..no way. 
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> Once the dictionary contains the entries I need I feel very happy to just do this look for sign...check the spelling... copy it into the document.  This is going really very fast (!) ..and it is so much fun!
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> Our new modern DELEGS Programm allows that as well and in addition to that our software-developper offer neat tools to allow the teacher to create quickly wonderful teaching materials with different options... 
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> Yo say: If not, snap, sniff….
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> Well there is no problem whatsoever. I feel blessed to be in the position after all these years – well I started with this project about 1998... to use the software we have these days... 
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> So as I mentioned before ..my first goal is not to become a perfect keyboard-writer but to create lots and lots of worksheets for my students no matter which method is needed. 
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> At the same time ...right now I feel very motivated to become an expert on the new “Rand-Keyboard”. As soon as I feel that way I will let you know ..smile. 
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> Would be fun to create a screenshot-movi documenting at what speed a newcomer is able to write with that after some hours of practice! 
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> Von: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU <mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>] Im Auftrag von André Thibeault
> Gesendet: Samstag, 1. August 2015 02:29
> An: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU <mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
> Betreff: Re: The "Rand-Keyboard" How to start
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> Hi Stefan and everyone,
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> Stefan writes: “ Does it make sense to learn to write with that. (I hesitate to write the word “write”... seems too difficult ..seems to last soooo long to just create one single sign. Cannot believe to type a sentence like “HELLO, MY NAME WHAT STEFAN SIGNNAME  (“DO YOU GET IT”)”
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> Stefan: You mentioned that you have experience in using an old SWDOS program.  I am not talking about a new Rand-keyboard, but an old SWDOS-keyboard.  
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> I am just curious: by using an old SWDOS, could you type a single sentence such as the gloss above?  
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> If so, it is an old but wonderful program!   With the same old program, I imagine that you could also and easily type 15 different sentences (a paragraph), right? 
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> If not, snap, sniff….
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> Best regards,
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> André
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> De : Stefan Wöhrmann <stefanwoehrmann at GOOGLEMAIL.COM <mailto:stefanwoehrmann at GOOGLEMAIL.COM>>
> Répondre à : "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU <mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>>
> Date : Fri, 31 Jul 2015 17:23:48 +0200
> À : <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU <mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>>
> Objet : The "Rand-Keyboard" How to start
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> Hi Valerie and friends on the sw-list, 
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> The Symposium 2015 is over and from my point of view  You Valerie and your team did an excellent job. 
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> I bet that all presenters agree that thanks to your way to support us in before and during our presentations it has been a veryexciting, valuable and enriching experiencewithout too much pressure. Yourability to set up the websites to allow anybody to find his way in order tofind the materials, presentations, presenters, contact information deservesspecial respect! 
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> THANKS  for that. 
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> Well so good to know that since all presentations are saved at some place on the WEB it is so easy to have a second look at a presentation if you want to. 
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> I do that. And I started with presentation 
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> PRESENTATION 41
> “The Javascript-based SignWriting <http://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0041.html> Keyboard for Use on Wikimedia <http://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0041.html>
> and throughout the Web <http://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0041.html>”  <http://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0007.html>by Yair Rand, CANADA
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> Regarding this presentation about how to use this new technic ... oh – I am so sorry ..I feel completely overwhelmed from the very first beginning. Reason for that is perhaps that I myself have no confidence in my resources to learn anything about computersoftware, installing new programms, .... 
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> On the other hand ...there are other experiences as well ...smile ... I became one of the most experienced scribes with the good old SWDOS programm ..and I even travelledaround and taught in workshops and at Universities about that so I had to learn and to understand that. And I did this 15 years ago!!
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> I understand that your perfectly documented tutorial “SignWriter ...the world`s first sign Language processor...  ISBN: 0-914336-63-0    which I bought at that time has been the key to understand how to work with that...and the many wonderful graphics and screenshots allowed a quick orientation. 
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> But then I thought a second time ... Maybe teachers who are in contact with SignWriting the first time may feel almost the same. So I understand that there should be the chance to go a different path!
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> One of my students in myclass reacts in a way that makes me nervous and impatient all the time. Just in the beginning of  new theme/subject/task ...he signs ..”Oh my God, this is much too difficult for me. I will never get that..” 
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> Well I try to motivate him to keep his spirits high. I encourage him not to feel weak or foolish but that it of course will afford him to pay close attention to what is going on. ..And I promise that once all the other students already start to do their jobs I will take my time to support him in a very special one to one contact...
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> This way I learn a lot myself ... for sure. One of the things people always forget ( and me too) is the fact that I understand new information because I can use what I alreadyknow. (See:  Ausubel whom I mentioned in my presentation).
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>  But what if the student has no idea about this or that while me as the teacher took that for granted? ....  kind of basic knowledge... This very moment he gets lost. And in case I give the impression that I really would be very disappointed and I really would jugde him as a fool if he admits that he hasn´t got any cluewhat I am talking about ... well of course he tries to hide this, he tries to keep this secret ..and me as the teacher have no chance to reach out to him. 
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> So I am obliged to allow him to lead me in my step by step tutorial. I need hisquestions in order to follow his way to be able tounderstand what he wants to learn. Well and if the student indicates that he is motivated to undrestand but somehow overwhelmed und and unable to overcome a given difficulty because there is nothing to connect to ... Well I feel so happy to try anything to find out together what might help. 
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> I understand that I need to switch in my head. I have to develop a positve attitude about this new development. I do not understand but can imagine that it would be of advantage if I would be able to type with that keyboard..just as I did with the SW-DOS keyboard in 1998.
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> Go to slide number 9 ...   A positive (attitude) helps in ... 
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> So I want to understand more about the background and how to get started.
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> I wrote an  email to Yair Rand. I explained my ideas and asked for special support. 
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> I felt so happy when I got the answer that he canoffer this lesson and that he would set up a Google – Hangout   to meet. It has been a tremendous success! 
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> Will report about that later ..;-)) 
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> Have a beautiful day
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