[Sw-l] [SPAM] RE: Forearm Rotation or axial motion symbols

Mon Feb 5 22:00:06 EST 2018

SignWriting List
February 5, 2018

Hi Rachel -
I think first, we need to get our terminology in sinc with each other. When you say the "viewer" I believe you mean a person who is looking at a video, and that person is facing the signer? Of course that is the "Receptive Viewer".

But when we write SignWriting, we are writing expressively, which means that we view the sign from the signer's perspective, as if we are standing behind the signer's back and seeing the hands as if they are our own...

So to explain it from the terminology that I am used to...from the Expressive perspective... in the sign for "CLOSE A Door", the thumbs paint the movement in the air towards your chest to close at the end...the signer is "viewing" his or her thumbs...and not switching right side with left side...

So if you start the sign with the palms facing the chest because the doors are open, and then the thumbs curve towards the body and then close touching each other... So in the sign for Door in ASL, it is ususally the thumbs that are painting the movement's path...because the doors are opening and closing back towards the chest...see attached:

The thumbs are painting the paths in the sign for DOOR in ASL towards the body - I don't know how else to explain it..

But if you have another kind of door where the door is opening away from your body - that is an unusual door but I guess in some corporate buildings they might have such a swing out with big glass doors or something - but that is not the ususal sign for door in ASL...so most doors are opening with the thumbs but if it is a door that you push forward to get out then the baby finger, which curves forward aways from the body, could be used to push a door open forward... it is a matter of the "feeling" of the direction of the swing of the door - is it opening towards you or away from you - the signer - you the reader are the signer, not the video viewer -

Val ;-)

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> On Feb 5, 2018, at 6:16 PM, rchannon1 at VERIZON.NET wrote:
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> Hi Valerie, I’ve started looking through the lessons.   Several times, I see the statement: imagine that you have black ink on your thumb or pinky…
> The problem that I have is that when the forearm rotates the thumb and pinky move in opposite directions.  
> In CLOSE-a-door, I start with my right palm facing left, and end with the palm facing the viewer.   
> The thumb curves OUT to viewer & LEFT.  
> The pinky curves    IN to signer     & RIGHT.  
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> So should I use this symbol, which moves to the right:  S2df0c because that looks like the thumb movement:
> <image006.png>
> OR should I use this symbol S2df08 which looks like what the pinky is doing?
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> <image007.png>
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> And of course, the reverse question holds for OPEN-a-door:
> Should I use  this symbol, which moves to the right:  S2df0c because that looks like the PINKY movement 
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> <image006.png>
> OR should I use this symbol S2df08 which looks like what the THUMB is doing?
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> <image007.png>
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> If I can choose whichever one I feel like, then it seems to me that I would not be able to say whether I was opening or closing the door.   Am I thinking right?
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> If I am thinking right, then that is fine, and I will just list the rotation symbols as forearm rotation without trying to decide which way the forearm rotates.  But if that information is there in the symbol, it would be good to capture it.
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> Rachel 
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> From: SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages [mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU <mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>] On Behalf Of Valerie Sutton
> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 1:05 PM
> To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU <mailto:SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
> Subject: Re: [SPAM] Forearm Rotation or axial motion symbols
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> SignWriting List
> February 3, 2018
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> Good Saturday everyone!
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> Yes, this is a fun discussion on Rotation Symbols.
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> We are having electricity problems in my home (where I work), and an electrician is on his way to help us. I do not know how long the repairs will take, but it may be all day, so I will not be able to answer or discuss anything until tomorrow, Sunday. I look forward to it!
>  
> But one point while I can chat... We have some eLessons on our web site, teaching the Rotation Symbols in conjunction with other Curved Movements, and the eLessons use the wonderful illustrations by Steve Parkhurst (thank you again Steve ;-).
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> If you go through each web page, and scroll down and read everything there, I think it might become clearer... Start with this web page:
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> http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less012.html <http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less012.html>
> (remember to scroll down)
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> and keep reading through this web page:
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> http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less015.html <http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less015.html>
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> and then other web pages:
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> http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less026.html <http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less026.html>
> http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less040.html <http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less040.html>
> http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less041.html <http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less041.html>
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> and an important one:
> http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less074.html <http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less074.html>
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> It explains where to place the Rotation Symbols...above or below the hands? See screen capture below. This is related to the Pinkie and Thumb - but that we need another discussion for - There are rules for that too, but they are not posted in eLessons yet and I think they should be...
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> Have a great day everyone!
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