<DIV>Hello Zurich,</DIV>
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<DIV>1) I think you have notated the "Frog" movement quite well. </DIV>
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<DIV>2) For repeated movements, you have 3 contact * symbols, which to me would be sufficient to show repetition. Are they there to show multiple points of contact as the hand arches up and comes back down again? Or movement out the hand from palm to fingers? In any case, 3 of them would be a "repetition" to me, Else you would need to show three "movement up and over arrows" to parallel the 3 contact stars.</DIV>
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<DIV>I look forward to other people's comments.</DIV>
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<DIV>Charles Butler</DIV>
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<DIV><BR><B><I>Valerie Sutton <sutton@SIGNWRITING.ORG></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; WIDTH: 100%">SignWriting List<BR>July 31, 2003<BR><BR>Dear SW List Members:<BR>Long ago we received these messages from Zurich, Switzerland... Today,<BR>through a series of messages, I will try to answer Siv and Penny's<BR>technical questions. Congratulations Siv, on teaching SignWriting to<BR>Deaf children this Fall! We will want to hear all about your<BR>experiences later....Val ;-)<BR><BR>-------------------<BR><BR>Siv Fosshaug in Zurich wrote:<BR>> ...good news is that I am going to teach the first bilingual class in<BR>> Basel (one hour from Zurich) this fall, and then I am going to try to<BR>> teach some SignWriting to 6 and 7 year old kids. I am so excited!!<BR>> Finally I can try to teach SignWriting to kids in Switzerland! ....<BR><BR>-----------------------<BR><BR>Plus this message from long ago....<BR><BR>From: GS-Media <GSMEDIA@DPLANET.CH><BR>Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 7:46:03
AM US/Pacific<BR>To: SW-L@ADMIN.HUMBERC.ON.CA<BR>Subject: Spelling FROG/FROSCH<BR>Reply-To: gsmedia@dplanet.ch<BR><BR>Dear Valerie, Stuart - and all,<BR><BR>In discussing Stuart's exchange with Valerie about how to write the ASL<BR>sign meaning 'next, next, next', Siv and I were reminded again of a<BR>recurring problem we have about signs in which the movement is repeated.<BR>One such sign that Siv is working on now is the Swiss German sign for<BR>FROG (FROSCH). The passive hand is a flat hand with palm up. The<BR>active hand begins with a modified O handshape (fore and middle fingers<BR>bent to contact the thumb), with the palm facing the floor, the<BR>fingertips in contact near the heel of the palm.<BR><BR>Now here comes the interesting part - the movement.<BR>The handshape opens up into a European 3 hand (fore, middle fingers and<BR>thumb outstretched), while simultaneously making a jumping forward<BR>movement. As the hand descends to 'land' on the palm, the hand closes<BR>again
into the original modified O handshape. From the point on the palm<BR>where the hand has landed, the whole movement is then repeated.<BR><BR>Attached is our SW spelling for FROSCH. If anyone would like a Quicktime<BR>movie of this sign (212 KB), let me know and I can send it to you<BR>directly.<BR><BR>For linguistic research purposes, we want our spelling to contain the<BR>following information about this sign:<BR><BR>a) A 'full notation', giving both finger movements and the resulting<BR>handshapes. (Although this is redundant information, we would like to be<BR>able to search our databank later for either the handshapes involved or<BR>the type of movement.)<BR><BR>b) The simultaneity of the finger opening and closing movements with the<BR>arm jumping forward movement.<BR><BR>c) The fact that the whole sign is repeated. For linguistic research, it<BR>would be good to be able to search for signs with repeated movements.<BR>This would be a much easier search if there were a symbol
for<BR>'repeitition'. Perhaps there is a symbol for 'repetition' already built<BR>into SignBank, which we haven't found yet. What we are using at the<BR>moment is a single quote symbol for each repetition.<BR><BR>We realize that the kinds of things we might need for research sometimes<BR>make the reading of the sign more complicated. For that reason, we are<BR>considering putting two kinds of spellings into our databank: a full<BR>linguistic spelling and a 'reduced, easy to read' spelling for<BR>children's books, etc.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>> ATTACHMENT part 2 image/gif x-mac-creator=3842494D; x-unix-mode=0644; x-mac-type=47494666; name=FROSCH.gif<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><p><hr SIZE=1>
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