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<DIV><SPAN class=468321020-27022004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hi
Tini, Valerie and list members, </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=468321020-27022004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=468321020-27022004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>great
to hear from you - and thank you very much for your spelling - discussion
- </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=468321020-27022004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=468321020-27022004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I bet
all of us can learn a lot from this - </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=468321020-27022004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=468321020-27022004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>First
of all - it is good to concentrate on writing a given movement - so we do not
discuss different variations of a sign in any SL but just on how to write the
given hand shapes, movements -- </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=468321020-27022004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=468321020-27022004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>(Hi
Valerie, Charles, friend from Japan .. remember our wonderful workshop on video
transcription of the Markus evangelium , unfortunately we ended too soon ....;-))
but I learned a lot from that...)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=468321020-27022004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=468321020-27022004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>What
is so interesting to me in these spelling discussions is that different people
look and identify different aspects - of the important parameters -
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=468321020-27022004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>SW can
be written much more precisely - compared to drawings, movies, word
descriptions ... </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=468321020-27022004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=468321020-27022004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>On the
other hand - ask 5 Deaf native signers and ask them to sign the same
sign and you definitely will find differences in their performance ... that can
be written in SW </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=468321020-27022004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Even
one and the same signer will perform the same sign on 7 days differently ....
;-)) </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=468321020-27022004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=468321020-27022004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hi
Tini - </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=468321020-27022004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Look
at your attached graphic - lifelike drawing of your Grace(A) and Grace
(B)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=468321020-27022004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=468321020-27022004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I
refer to the Sutton-Symbol-Sequence 2002 - this way you know what hand shape I
am talking about! ( Great job - Valerie!!) </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=468321020-27022004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=468321020-27022004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Looking at the description </FONT> <FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>in words - you get the idea of a hand shape like SSS
01-05-025 (Oval) (thumb touching the (=all) fingertips - the drawing on
the other hand looks more like 01- 05 - 020 (Circle) </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=468321020-27022004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The
explanation says : " The hand seems to take s.th. from God ... ) Therefore - the
author thinks obviously of a hinge- movement - which might end in hand shape -
hand shape - 01-05-030 (Angel) ... </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=468321020-27022004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>(You
decided to start with this hand shape ... )</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=468321020-27022004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=468321020-27022004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>now
second phase- </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=468321020-27022004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=468321020-27022004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>"spreading the fingers and moving down - " - you decided to choose
symbol 01-05-003 (5 Fingers Bent = claw-hand) </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=468321020-27022004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=468321020-27022004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>well
the drawing shows fingers that are not bent ??? perhaps 01 - 05 - 005 (5
Fingers cup) or more likely 01 - 05 - 006 5 Fingers Hinge
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=468321020-27022004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=468321020-27022004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>what
about hand-orientation - </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=468321020-27022004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=468321020-27022004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>the
text says .. "shower it down..." Perhaps the focus could be on back of hand
upside ?? instead of palm facing ?? What do you think?? </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=468321020-27022004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=468321020-27022004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>What
about eye gaze ? Both of the signers look straight ahead . but is this indented
or just a matter of how to produce lots of lifelike drawings with a given set of
faces ... ?? </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=468321020-27022004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I
rather would expect an eye gaze diagonal upwards ...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=468321020-27022004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=468321020-27022004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I
agree - with Valerie - I try to avoid additional movement arrows if the
starting position and the end position defines what has to happen to get there
;-))) </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=468321020-27022004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>So in
this case as well - no additional rotation movement - symbol needed
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=468321020-27022004></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=468321020-27022004>Perhaps you or other list members are interested to
create some other spellings of this posted - lifelike - drawing with text -
illustration - In the end we will see that it is worth to understand that the
best way to communicate about movement is not a video, a life-like drawing or a
description by words but a spelling with an extraordinary movement writing
system - like SW - </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=468321020-27022004></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=468321020-27022004>Have a great day</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=468321020-27022004></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=468321020-27022004>Stefan;-)) </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=468321020-27022004></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=468321020-27022004>PS -I attached Your illustration once more ....
Are you interested in a discussion about your second spelling? Grace B???
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<DIV><SPAN class=468321020-27022004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----<BR><B>Von:</B> SignWriting List
[mailto:SW-L@ADMIN.HUMBERC.ON.CA]<B>Im Auftrag von </B>Tini
Pel<BR><B>Gesendet:</B> Freitag, 27. Februar 2004 16:37<BR><B>An:</B>
SW-L@ADMIN.HUMBERC.ON.CA<BR><B>Betreff:</B> SW. Grace<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hello Valerie and list,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Well here is my try-out of writing both signs of
Grace in S.W. See previous message.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Tini.</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>