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I sent this to Stefan directly by mistake. Reposting here.. Bill ...<br>
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Stefan,<br>
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I'd like to comment on the rotation movement. From what it looks like
in Grace A, there is a rotation movement first and then the transition
between the first handshape and the second. That seems to be
consistant with the concept of grace turning toward a person first and
then being bestowed. In that context, I would deem the movement very
important.<br>
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Bill<br>
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Stefan Woehrmann wrote:<br>
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color="#0000ff" size="2">Hi Tini, Valerie and list members, </font></span></div>
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<div><span class="468321020-27022004"><font face="Arial"
color="#0000ff" size="2">great to hear from you - and thank you very
much for your spelling - discussion - </font></span></div>
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<div><span class="468321020-27022004"><font face="Arial"
color="#0000ff" size="2">I bet all of us can learn a lot from this - </font></span></div>
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<div><span class="468321020-27022004"><font face="Arial"
color="#0000ff" size="2">First of all - it is good to concentrate on
writing a given movement - so we do not discuss different variations of
a sign in any SL but just on how to write the given hand shapes,
movements -- </font></span></div>
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<div><span class="468321020-27022004"><font face="Arial"
color="#0000ff" size="2">(Hi Valerie, Charles, friend from Japan ..
remember our wonderful workshop on video transcription of the Markus
evangelium , unfortunately we ended too soon ....;-)) but I learned a
lot from that...)</font></span></div>
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<div><span class="468321020-27022004"><font face="Arial"
color="#0000ff" size="2">What is so interesting to me in these
spelling discussions is that different people look and identify
different aspects - of the important parameters - </font></span></div>
<div><span class="468321020-27022004"><font face="Arial"
color="#0000ff" size="2">SW can be written much more precisely -
compared to drawings, movies, word descriptions ... </font></span></div>
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<div><span class="468321020-27022004"><font face="Arial"
color="#0000ff" size="2">On the other hand - ask 5 Deaf native
signers and ask them to sign the same sign and you definitely will find
differences in their performance ... that can be written in SW </font></span></div>
<div><span class="468321020-27022004"><font face="Arial"
color="#0000ff" size="2">Even one and the same signer will perform the
same sign on 7 days differently .... ;-)) </font></span></div>
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<div><span class="468321020-27022004"><font face="Arial"
color="#0000ff" size="2">Hi Tini - </font></span></div>
<div><span class="468321020-27022004"><font face="Arial"
color="#0000ff" size="2">Look at your attached graphic - lifelike
drawing of your Grace(A) and Grace (B)</font></span></div>
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<div><span class="468321020-27022004"><font face="Arial"
color="#0000ff" size="2">I refer to the Sutton-Symbol-Sequence 2002 -
this way you know what hand shape I am talking about! ( Great job -
Valerie!!) </font></span></div>
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<div><span class="468321020-27022004"><font face="Arial"
color="#0000ff" size="2">Looking at the description </font> <font
face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">in words - you get the idea of a
hand shape like SSS 01-05-025 (Oval) (thumb touching the (=all)
fingertips - the drawing on the other hand looks more like 01- 05 -
020 (Circle) </font></span></div>
<div><span class="468321020-27022004"><font face="Arial"
color="#0000ff" size="2">The explanation says : " The hand seems to
take s.th. from God ... ) Therefore - the author thinks obviously of a
hinge- movement - which might end in hand shape - hand shape -
01-05-030 (Angel) ... </font></span></div>
<div><span class="468321020-27022004"><font face="Arial"
color="#0000ff" size="2">(You decided to start with this hand shape
.... )</font></span></div>
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<div><span class="468321020-27022004"><font face="Arial"
color="#0000ff" size="2">now second phase- </font></span></div>
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<div><span class="468321020-27022004"><font face="Arial"
color="#0000ff" size="2">"spreading the fingers and moving down - " -
you decided to choose symbol 01-05-003 (5 Fingers Bent = claw-hand) </font></span></div>
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<div><span class="468321020-27022004"><font face="Arial"
color="#0000ff" size="2">well the drawing shows fingers that are not
bent ??? perhaps 01 - 05 - 005 (5 Fingers cup) or more likely 01 - 05
- 006 5 Fingers Hinge </font></span></div>
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<div><span class="468321020-27022004"><font face="Arial"
color="#0000ff" size="2">what about hand-orientation - </font></span></div>
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<div><span class="468321020-27022004"><font face="Arial"
color="#0000ff" size="2">the text says .. "shower it down..." Perhaps
the focus could be on back of hand upside ?? instead of palm facing ??
What do you think?? </font></span></div>
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<div><span class="468321020-27022004"><font face="Arial"
color="#0000ff" size="2">What about eye gaze ? Both of the signers
look straight ahead . but is this indented or just a matter of how to
produce lots of lifelike drawings with a given set of faces ... ?? </font></span></div>
<div><span class="468321020-27022004"><font face="Arial"
color="#0000ff" size="2">I rather would expect an eye gaze diagonal
upwards ...</font></span></div>
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<div><span class="468321020-27022004"><font face="Arial"
color="#0000ff" size="2">I agree - with Valerie - I try to avoid
additional movement arrows if the starting position and the end
position defines what has to happen to get there ;-))) </font></span></div>
<div><span class="468321020-27022004"><font face="Arial"
color="#0000ff" size="2">So in this case as well - no additional
rotation movement - symbol needed </font></span></div>
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<div><font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff"><span
class="468321020-27022004">Perhaps you or other list members are
interested to create some other spellings of this posted - lifelike -
drawing with text - illustration - In the end we will see that it is
worth to understand that the best way to communicate about movement is
not a video, a life-like drawing or a description by words but a
spelling with an extraordinary movement writing system - like SW - </span></font></font></font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff"><span
class="468321020-27022004">Have a great day</span></font></font></font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff"><span
class="468321020-27022004">Stefan;-)) </span></font></font></font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff"><span
class="468321020-27022004">PS -I attached Your illustration once more
..... Are you interested in a discussion about your second spelling?
Grace B??? </span></font></font></font></div>
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face="Tahoma" size="2">-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----<br>
<b>Von:</b> SignWriting List [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:SW-L@ADMIN.HUMBERC.ON.CA">mailto:SW-L@ADMIN.HUMBERC.ON.CA</a>]<b>Im
Auftrag von </b>Tini Pel<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Freitag, 27. Februar 2004 16:37<br>
<b>An:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:SW-L@ADMIN.HUMBERC.ON.CA">SW-L@ADMIN.HUMBERC.ON.CA</a><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> SW. Grace<br>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Hello Valerie and list,</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Well here is my try-out of writing
both signs of Grace in S.W. See previous message.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Tini.</font></div>
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