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<DIV><SPAN class=110440708-19102004><FONT face="Lucida Sans Unicode"
color=#800000>Hi Charles!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=110440708-19102004><FONT face="Lucida Sans Unicode"
color=#800000>These hands are useful - shows how the experts think, anyway
:)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=110440708-19102004><FONT face="Lucida Sans Unicode"
color=#800000>I don't know what all those dotty arrows (such as you used for the
swirl) and things are in the IMWA. Are they described
anywhere?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=110440708-19102004><FONT face="Lucida Sans Unicode"
color=#800000>Sandy</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
owner-sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu
[mailto:owner-sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Charles
Butler<BR><B>Sent:</B> 18 October 2004 14:55<BR><B>To:</B>
sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [sw-l] Do we have these
handshapes<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Hi Sandy,</DIV>
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<DIV>My best friend growing up was a fellow named Sandy (male), and a
woman named Charley, so I presume nothing from a name.</DIV>
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<DIV><IMG
src="http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-BR/image.php?build=01-05-003-01-02-01,0,0"
NOSEND="1"> This is the classic "claw" hand with all fingers curved and
bent.</DIV>
<DIV><IMG
src="http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-BR/image.php?build=01-05-006-01-02-01,0,0"
NOSEND="1"> This has the fingers curled but not bent.</DIV>
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<DIV><IMG
src="http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-BR/image.php?build=01-03-005-01-02-01,0,0"
NOSEND="1"> I'd almost want to make your "swirly" hand a variation on
this as the finger that seem to be articulating most are these three.</DIV>
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<DIV>How about this? I can't make the sign without saving it in
signbank.</DIV>
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<DIV><IMG
src="http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-BR/image.php?build=02-02-002-01-04-05,0,0"
NOSEND="1"><IMG
src="http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-BR/image.php?build=01-06-007-01-04-01,0,0"
NOSEND="1"></DIV>
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<DIV>I'm trying to find a hand that bends the thumb without going outside of
IMWA, right now that "feels" like the "bent 3", and there isn't a quick
"swirl" with only 3 fingers in the system.</DIV>
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<DIV>Charles</DIV>
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<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>Sandy Fleming <sandy@FLEIMIN.DEMON.CO.UK></I></B>
wrote:</DIV>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Val,
Charles & All,<BR><BR>I wonder if you could look at these handshapes
from British Sign Language<BR>and let me know if we have them in the IMWA or
whether they need to be<BR>added.<BR><BR>The first handshape is the "5" hand
but it's not flat - rather the baby<BR>finger is forward (vertical to the
palm) and the other fingers are<BR>progressively less further forward until
the index finger which is not<BR>forward at all, but is in its usual
position. The fingers could be thought<BR>of as in a sort of "fan"
formation.<BR><BR>In BSL the usual handshape for "to sign" is the two flat 5
hands moved<BR>cyclically in a vertical plane. This "fanned" handshape is
used by more<BR>advanced signers to mean something like "to sign
confidently".<BR><BR>The next two handshapes show the same sort of thing but
with the fingers<BR>bent and clawed, respectively. The bent handshape is
taug! ht to beginners as<BR>well as being used by advanced signers, swirling
horizontally to mean,<BR>rather obviously, "brandy".<BR><BR>I don't know if
the third (clawed) handshape is used in BSL - I haven't<BR>thought of a sign
which uses it as I've photographed it. However, if the<BR>thumb were forward
instead of flat (so that the thumb and index finger make<BR>a "C" shape
representing the rim of a glass held to the mouth) it would mean<BR>"a drink
problem".<BR><BR>Do we have the handshapes? Does the fact that these are
only used in a few<BR>signs mean that we should make do with a near
approximation?<BR><BR>(And yes, it is my hand. And yes, I'm a man, not a
woman as some of you seem<BR>to believe :)<BR><BR>Sandy<BR><BR><BR>>
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