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<DIV> 29/11/04</DIV>
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<DIV>HI Val and all other friends on the sign writing site!!</DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG>more time</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV>After lots of uuuhhmm-ing and aarrr-ing, I have decided to quit my job.</DIV>
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<DIV>This means (in theory) that I should hav emore time!</DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG>Yes! Auslan SignWriting</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV>So yes Val I am interested in writing my own sign....</DIV>
<DIV>On the subject of AUSLAN, there is a webiste that is worth having a look at:<BR></DIV>
<DIV><A href="http://www.auslan.org.au/index.cfm">http://www.auslan.org.au/index.cfm</A></DIV>
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<DIV>needless to say, I am a member!</DIV>
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<DIV>If this site would have a link to "my" Auslan Signwriting site, wouldn't that be marvelous!!</DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG>emberrashed....</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV>I am a little emberashed to sya, but most emails re: PUDL I deleted... So I have not got a clue how to use it!</DIV>
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<DIV>However, I have a little more time, so at last I am be able to do something...</DIV>
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<DIV>I wasn't very impressed with the DOS-SignWriting program, ehence I didn't use itmuch. I only made one sign and it didn't look at all what I imagined it would like!</DIV>
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<DIV>Ok, I am surre that all of you are itching to help me... So I am looking forward to work together!!</DIV>
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<DIV>Antony</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>From:</B></I> <A href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</A></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>Date:</B></I> 10/15/04 02:29:50</DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>To:</B></I> <A href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</A></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>Subject:</B></I> [sw-l] Australian Sign Puddle dictionary online?</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>SignWriting List</DIV>
<DIV>October 14, 2004</DIV>
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<DIV>Want an Australian Sign Language Sign Puddle dictionary online, Antony?</DIV>
<DIV>You would be able to create your own signs online and add them to a</DIV>
<DIV>dictionary, and then invite your Australian friends to share email in</DIV>
<DIV>SignWriting with you...If you are interested, write again...Val ;-)</DIV>
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<DIV>On Oct 13, 2004, at 5:12 PM, Antony Daamen wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV>> 14/10/04</DIV>
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<DIV>> Hallo Kathleen!</DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> welkom to this site!</DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> I am Antony and am a 'listener'. Ik bedoel dat ik all de verhaaltjes</DIV>
<DIV>> lees, maar niet vaak antwoord...... (I mean that I read all the posts,</DIV>
<DIV>> but rarely answer.....)</DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> I live in Australia, but grew up in Dordrecht, Nederland. I always</DIV>
<DIV>> understood that Nederland was a very oral-oriented country.... So how</DIV>
<DIV>> excited I was when you shown me your website! wowowowowow.</DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> I never knew any of this!</DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> Thank you ver very much, you made my day! </DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> Also good to see that you use SignWriting in this webiste and with the</DIV>
<DIV>> teaching in the class!!</DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> I myself work for the Qld Deaf Society (I don't know for how much</DIV>
<DIV>> longer...) and have been to busy with my work, to be involved with the</DIV>
<DIV>> promotion of sign writing. I have shown this method to anyone htat</DIV>
<DIV>> wants to listen, but most educators here are very much set in their</DIV>
<DIV>> ways....</DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> QDS staff themselves are also very very un-interested! very</DIV>
<DIV>> disappointing...</DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> Nevermind we will plot along.</DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> OK, if you feel like a chat in Dutch (don't understand French) pls</DIV>
<DIV>> tell me! I love to hear more from Belgie Nederland etc.</DIV>
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<DIV>> -------Original Message-------</DIV>
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<DIV>> From: <A href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</A></DIV>
<DIV>> Date: 10/14/04 06:06:42</DIV>
<DIV>> To: <A href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</A></DIV>
<DIV>> Subject: Re: [sw-l] BELGIUM: New SW Literacy Project and new web</DIV>
<DIV>> area...</DIV>
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<DIV>> SignWriting List</DIV>
<DIV>> October 13, 2004</DIV>
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<DIV>> Kathleen Heylen wrote:</DIV>
<DIV>> > What can I tell you about Belgium? Better ask me what I can't tell</DIV>
<DIV>> you</DIV>
<DIV>> > about Belgium because it is such a fascinating country ;o) We ARE the</DIV>
<DIV>> > capitol of Europe ;o)</DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> This is absolutely fascinating, Kathleen! Thank you for sharing with</DIV>
<DIV>> us. So Belgium is the capital of Europe? grin...a side note....I come</DIV>
<DIV>> from California and I know some Californians feel we are the capital of</DIV>
<DIV>> the USA...but the rest of the USA does not agree - ha!! smile...</DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> But now I realize maybe Belgium is the head of the European Community?</DIV>
<DIV>> is that right? In 2004 I believe you have a Dutch president of the EU?</DIV>
<DIV>> <A href="http://www.eu2004.nl/">http://www.eu2004.nl/</A></DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> > And we have some beautiful city's to visit. Like; Antwerp, Brussels,</DIV>
<DIV>> > Brugge, Gent, Liège, Namur, ...</DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> oh yes! They are beautiful! I have been to Brussels, Brugge, Gent,</DIV>
<DIV>> Leige, and Antwerp...I love Belgium...</DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> > It is so that we officialy have 3 languages: Flemish, French and</DIV>
<DIV>> > German.</DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> I had no idea that German was spoken in Belgium!</DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> > Flemish is the upperside close to Holland where people understand us</DIV>
<DIV>> > pretty good because they speak Dutch. Brussels is situated in</DIV>
<DIV>> > Flanders, but used to be and still mainly is French (Wallon)</DIV>
<DIV>> speaking.</DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> So there is a French-speaking city in the middle of Flanders, and the</DIV>
<DIV>> French dialect is called Wallon ? smile...</DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> > The lower side of Belgium is near to France and this is where the</DIV>
<DIV>> > people live that we call 'Wallon'. This used to be the 'rich' part of</DIV>
<DIV>> > Belgium in the early 19th century, but that changed about 70 years</DIV>
<DIV>> > ago. Now Flanders is the economic drive of Belgium. Some people in</DIV>
<DIV>> > Flanders want to be seperated from the Wallon part. I myself dont see</DIV>
<DIV>> > me going on a trip and telling people i'm from the independant 'state</DIV>
<DIV>> > of Flanders'. Who ever heared of Belgium, so WHO will know what</DIV>
<DIV>> > Flanders is? :s</DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> Oh. Wow. I see. I think Belgium is fascinating as one country with many</DIV>
<DIV>> regions and languages!</DIV>
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<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> > And then there is a VERY small part of German speaking people in</DIV>
<DIV>> > Belgium, but they are such a smal part that they are fogotten about</DIV>
<DIV>> > frequently. (shame on us!)</DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> Do they use German Sign Language, or is it a separate Belgian-German</DIV>
<DIV>> Sign Language?</DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> > So far the general situation of Belgium. Now for our other languages</DIV>
<DIV>> > that do exist in Belgium but are not recognized are the signed</DIV>
<DIV>> > languages. There is a Flemish Signl anguage in Belgium wich consist</DIV>
<DIV>> > also of many dialects as you can see on the website of the University</DIV>
<DIV>> > of Ghent. ( <A href="http://gebaren.ugent.be/">http://gebaren.ugent.be/</A> )</DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> All those dialects can be written in SignWriting, as you know...</DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> > There is also a 'French' Sign Language or better said 'Langue des</DIV>
<DIV>> > Signes Wallon'. I'm sorry i dont have any information on the</DIV>
<DIV>> existence</DIV>
<DIV>> > of 'Germang Sign Language' in Belgium. (Deutche Gebarensprache)</DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> You answered my question above...thank you!</DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> > I know the signlanguage in Wallonië is recognized to use in the</DIV>
<DIV>> > schools, but not as an official language. There are actions at hand</DIV>
<DIV>> to</DIV>
<DIV>> > promote the recognition of Flemish signlanguage.</DIV>
<DIV>> > (<A href="http://www.doofactiefront.be">www.doofactiefront.be</A>) this site is availible in English as well ;o)</DIV>
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<DIV>> Great!</DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> > Now for my school. Being it is situated in Brussels you will think,</DIV>
<DIV>> > Jeezus all those languages?? No, it is true at my school there are</DIV>
<DIV>> > Flemish speaking and signing people aswell as Wallon speaking and</DIV>
<DIV>> > signing people. This used to be all mixed up, but a few years ago the</DIV>
<DIV>> > two groups where seperated. So now the children learn 2 languages:</DIV>
<DIV>> > Flemish SignLanguage (FSL) and Dutch (Flemish) written and/or spoken.</DIV>
<DIV>> > This is how we see Bi-lingual education. The children are brought up</DIV>
<DIV>> > in there mothertongue Flemish signlanguage and learn to read and</DIV>
<DIV>> write</DIV>
<DIV>> > (speak) Dutch. I myself teach FSL (VGT - Vlaamse Gebarentaal) and</DIV>
<DIV>> > d/Deafculture together with Sara (my sweet friend and Deaf</DIV>
<DIV>> > coöperator).</DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> I see. Very interesting. So you have the school divided into two</DIV>
<DIV>> sections...one section for the Flemish and the other the French</DIV>
<DIV>> (Wallon)? So do the Deaf kids inter-mix on the playground? Because we</DIV>
<DIV>> could also write their Wallon Sign Language too, and then the kids</DIV>
<DIV>> could learn each other's signed languages! Just a thought...but for the</DIV>
<DIV>> future...smile</DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> > We teach the children the grammar and sytaxis of VGT and do this by</DIV>
<DIV>> > using SignWriting. What is our population? Well all the children run</DIV>
<DIV>> > trough our classroom, no matter there hearingloss. Some student have</DIV>
<DIV>> > more ours VGT a week then others.</DIV>
<DIV>> > </DIV>
<DIV>> > I would love to get some information on other people using</DIV>
<DIV>> SignWriting</DIV>
<DIV>> > in Belgium, the people i know dont really use it or are not working</DIV>
<DIV>> as</DIV>
<DIV>> > educators. My french is not as good as I would want it to be. So i</DIV>
<DIV>> get</DIV>
<DIV>> > more information in English and Flemish then French. It's more</DIV>
<DIV>> > difficult for me to read a book in French then in English. But i will</DIV>
<DIV>> > do my best to work with my Belgian partners ;o)</DIV>
<DIV>> > </DIV>
<DIV>> > More news WILL follow ;o)</DIV>
<DIV>> > Greetings Kathleen</DIV>
<DIV>> > ps: hope i don't make to many mistakes (my spelling isn't that</DIV>
<DIV>> great)</DIV>
<DIV>> > pps: i have a disk that has a DOS program for SignWriting (Kristof De</DIV>
<DIV>> > Weerdt gave it to me ;o)</DIV>
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<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> Please send my best wishes to Kristof! Your English is excellent - no</DIV>
<DIV>> problems at all! I will send you some contacts in Belgium -</DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> it may take a few days before the web area is ready and I will write</DIV>
<DIV>> when it is!</DIV>
<DIV>> </DIV>
<DIV>> Val ;-)</DIV>
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