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<DIV><SPAN class=572313114-07122004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hi
Charles,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=572313114-07122004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>You
may disagree with me, but you're not talking about lanes. The head and the
hands are always in the same lane. You can have the hands to the left,
right, extreme left or extreme right, but they are always in the same lane as
the head. By definition, the whole body is always in the same
lane.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=572313114-07122004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>View
this online documents for the specifics.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=572313114-07122004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><A
href="http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/grammar/vertical/vert002.html">http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/grammar/vertical/vert002.html</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=572313114-07122004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Talking pure mechanics, verticle writing centers the signs based on the
head. Without lanes, the head is always centered in the middle. When
you add lanes, you can put the head off center to the left or right.
Putting the head to the left will move the entire sign. (The hands move
with the head, because the sign is centered by the head).
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<DIV><SPAN class=572313114-07122004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Your
example for Carmen Miranda is written horizontal. See attached for
additional ways to write it vertically with lanes. There are three
columns, each column has a head placement in the center lane for
reference. The first column has all signs in the middle lane. The
second and third columns use lanes. Which column is the correct way to
write Carmen Miranda vertically?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=572313114-07122004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>-Stephen</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
owner-sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu
[mailto:owner-sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Charles
Butler<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 07, 2004 9:19 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [sw-l] left-handed or
right-handed?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>I would disagree with you Stephen.</DIV>
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<DIV>When I'm signing about people on opposite sides, my head goes one way and
my body shifts the other. Sometimes the shoulders and the hips move in
different directions. The eyes focus on something to the left but my
body has shifted to the right. Here is the Brazilian sign for Carmen
Miranda, for example.</DIV>
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<DIV><IMG alt=Carmen-Miranda-1
src="http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-BR/dict/sl/Carmen-Miranda-1.png"
align=middle border=0 NOSEND="1"> </DIV>
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<DIV>There are two lanes here, the head and the hands. I could have been
more extreme and shown the hips in a third lane to the opposite side of the
hands. </DIV>
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<DIV>If I were to try to show a long narrative, the head could stay in the
center, the body shifting to one side or the other<BR><BR><B><I>Stephen
Slevinski <slevinski@signwriting.org></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Writing
in lanes is about body shifting. When the body shifts to the left<BR>or
right, the head shifts. Everything is centered around the head. The<BR>whole
body shifts, so the whole signs is contained in one lane at a
time.<BR><BR>Imaging a person sitting in a chair. If that person was
discussing the<BR>functions of the right-brain versus the left-brain, they
may use body<BR>shifting to identify what they are discussing. They could
shift to the left<BR>and sign: sequential, rules, logical. They could then
shift to the right<BR>and sign: simultaneous, open-ended, intuitive. When
transcribing this<BR>signed presentation, lanes would be used to illustrate
that the signer's<BR>body shifted back and forth. This is a great aid to
reading, because it<BR>becomes very obvious what the signer is talking about
based on the lane.<BR><BR>People have asked if it is possible to have more
t! han one lane on each side.<BR>It may be possible to have two lanes on
each side, but any more than that<BR>and the signer would loose their
balance (and fall off their chair
if<BR>sitting).<BR><BR>-Stephen<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From:
owner-sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<BR>[mailto:owner-sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu]On
Behalf Of Sandy Fleming<BR>Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 3:40 AM<BR>To:
sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<BR>Subject: RE: [sw-l] left-handed or
right-handed?<BR><BR><BR>Me again!<BR><BR>> So meanwhile, there is this
new program SignText which is the first in<BR>> history to create
Sign-Lanes...so you can place a sign to the right or<BR>> left by saying
which Sign-Lane it belongs in...This is a wonderful step<BR>>
forward...but...we will need both right and left handed signs for<BR>>
writing in the Sign Lanes, because the right and left handed signs<BR>>
interchange sometimes, because of grammer issues...<BR>><BR>> Val
;-)<BR><BR>I! had a niggling doubt about the lanes facility in SignText when
it was<BR>origanlly explained. As you say, you can place a _sign_ to the
right or to<BR>the left, but this isn't enough, is it?<BR><BR>Often the
hands and the head are in different lanes - is this going to
be<BR>incorporated into the program? The origianl SWML that we saw just had
one<BR>element to say which lane the sign is in. At the very least we need
two lane<BR>elements, one to say which lane the head is in, and one to saw
which lane<BR>the hands are
in.<BR><BR>Sandy<BR><BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>