<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
<META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2180" name=GENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=#ffffff>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=DE
style="mso-ansi-language: DE"><FONT face="Times New Roman">Ja, ich kann in
mehreren Sprachen lesen, aber noch nicht die GebärdenSchrift
;-)</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=DE
style="mso-ansi-language: DE"><FONT face="Times New Roman">Thanks for your
explanations. Now I see the Deaf Education problems in Germany and Poland are
very much the same. I can speak but I learned to sign without speaking -
just through interaction with other Deaf who, in most cases, could not
speak. So the sign language I learned was the natural one, PJM. But when I got
to know about Signed Polish and tried to use it, I felt utter chaos in
my mind. This is why I don't like to use both the systems (speech and signs) at
the same time (although I vocalize some signs). I know more languages and I need
to have the "language drawers" in perfect order ;-).</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=DE
style="mso-ansi-language: DE"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"></FONT></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=DE
style="mso-ansi-language: DE"><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Lucyna</FONT></SPAN></P></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr
style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=stefanwoehrmann@GEBAERDENSCHRIFT.DE
href="mailto:stefanwoehrmann@GEBAERDENSCHRIFT.DE">Stefan Wöhrmann</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu
href="mailto:sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 23, 2005 12:31
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> AW: [sw-l] GERMANY...Article
published on SignWriting Jan 23, 2005</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=421330611-23012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Hello Lucyna and welcome to our List !!!! </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=421330611-23012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=421330611-23012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>So
you are able to read German documents? That would allow you to have direct
access to many of my documents that are posted on my homepage
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=421330611-23012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=421330611-23012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><A
href="http://www.gebaerdenschrift.de">www.gebaerdenschrift.de</A>
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=421330611-23012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=421330611-23012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Ha -
the question about using so many different systems is a difficult one -
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=421330611-23012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=421330611-23012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I
had to learn that there are many different interests involved in teaching or
supporting deaf children from hearing background. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=421330611-23012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=421330611-23012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>So
you never can say from outside - without having a close look at the
biographical and social background what kind of teaching concept is adequat,
successful, ... </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=421330611-23012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=421330611-23012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>...and there is a conflict - constantly - how much time should be given
to articulation and how important is the focus
on SL competence</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=421330611-23012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=421330611-23012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>From
my 10 students 10 - 16 years old - there is only one child from a German
speaking family - all others experience a foreign language at
home.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=421330611-23012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=421330611-23012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>None
of the parents achieved minimal SL - competence - so they are not able to
comunicate with their child ... And whenever I try to explain the importance
of SL they express their difficulties and many reasons -</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=421330611-23012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=421330611-23012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Nevertheless - we achieved now a level of SL competence - DGS ( that
means voiceless but moving the lips a lot - just as the DEAF German sign - )
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=421330611-23012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>This
kind of comunication does n o t follow the grammar of the spoken
Language - </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=421330611-23012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=421330611-23012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>But
now you see the advantage of SignWriting or GebaerdenSchrift - as we
call it here - With the support of lots and lots of written
documents the students understand better and better that they have to decide -
spoken language ( signing word by word with or without loud speaking) or pure
DGS - following the rules of the SL without voicing any word ...
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=421330611-23012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=421330611-23012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>It
is wonderful to watch the students how easy and competent they identify the
difference between these two types of documents. They larn to "read"
DGS-written texts but translate and speak at the same moment in perfect
Grammar ! ( Of course not all of them - and there are still steps to go. But
all of them improved tremendously by the use of Valerie Suttons wonderful
invention!! </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=421330611-23012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=421330611-23012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>More
questions?? </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=421330611-23012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=421330611-23012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Have
a super day!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=421330611-23012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=421330611-23012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Stefan ;-) </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=421330611-23012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=421330611-23012005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----<BR><B>Von:</B>
owner-sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu
[mailto:owner-sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu]<B>Im Auftrag von </B>Lucyna
Dlugolecka<BR><B>Gesendet:</B> Sonntag, 23. Januar 2005 10:54<BR><B>An:</B>
sw-l@majordomo.valenciacc.edu<BR><B>Betreff:</B> Re: [sw-l]
GERMANY...Article published on SignWriting Jan 23, 2005<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Yeah, congratulations, Stefan! I have just read the
article. I like it. I would like to ascertain of that your Deaf students
speak German and use German Sign Langauge at the same time? Or they just
vocalize some words and some not? Do you speak and sign at the same time?
Aren't there big differences between grammars of these
languages?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Lucyna</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=sutton@signwriting.org
href="mailto:sutton@signwriting.org">Valerie Sutton</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu
href="mailto:SW-L@majordomo.valenciacc.edu">SIGNWRITING List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 23, 2005 4:16
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [sw-l] GERMANY...Article
published on SignWriting Jan 23, 2005</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>SignWriting List<BR>January 23, 2005<BR><BR>Congratulations
to Stefan!!<BR><BR>IN GERMANY....<BR>ARTICLE PUBLISHED ABOUT SIGNWRITING
January 23, 2005<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>